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Title: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 11, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
I have 4 children, 1 vaccinated at 2/4/6month with 5 in 1 vaccine and I stopped after that and did not do any more for any of my children.  I read a book years ago by Dr Susanne Humphries when it was coming close to the mmr vaccine for my oldest and thank God I did.

Anyway I have been re visiting this topic as I got a tip off that my new GP can give you a hard time about this and I had forgotten a lot of it.

So can I came across this from the Vaxxed group and it is astonishing that the Church has said that vaccinations with made from aborted babies can be used for the 'greater good'.  I have seen some defence of vaccinations here on SD but would like to stick to this topic of the live viruses being hosted by the aborted babies tissue and how you can justify it.....which by the way you absolutely cannot.

Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: dolores on September 11, 2018, 01:50:16 PM
Edit.
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: Lynne on September 11, 2018, 02:22:02 PM
I'm thankful that I no longer have to deal with this issue anymore, until grandchildren come along...

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: MilesChristi on September 11, 2018, 02:35:47 PM
The only vaccines I would avoid would be those created from aborted fetal lines, and the one for HPV.

With regards to the others, I feel that autism is better than Polio.
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 11, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
Polio had almost disappeared before vaccines were rolled out.
Autism isn't the worst injury, how about bone cancer and other types from the Salk vaccine for polio...proven to have sv40 viruses which lead to cancers
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Post by: Maximilian on September 11, 2018, 04:38:40 PM

I feel that autism is better than Polio.

Really? Polio doesn't affect the mind.
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: The Curt Jester on September 11, 2018, 05:31:07 PM
Every now and then you find a doctor who is anti-vaccine. We were fortunate to find a pediatrician who doesn't believe that vaccines are a way of life.
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Post by: Philip G. on September 11, 2018, 07:38:28 PM
I knew some of this.  But, I did not know how this vaccine DNA is connected to autoimmune disease and gender dysphoria.   And, it makes sense.
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: carmina laetitiae on September 11, 2018, 09:37:27 PM
I didn't know about the aborted fetal tissue issue. My son is due for his 12 month vaccinations in a few months and now I'm really concerned. Seems like going through with the vaccinations would be essentially saying, "I'm ok with killing babies to make medicine." Some of the vaccines have alternatives that don't use aborted fetal cells but I'm not sure if they could be switched out if the child has already received previous doses of the other one. I hope we can figure something out. Oh, and there's not even an MMR alternative in the US apparently.
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Post by: Chestertonian on September 11, 2018, 10:36:47 PM
Just what the forum needs
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: MundaCorMeum on September 11, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
Just what the forum needs

what did I just tell you about setting that bar too high?!   :cheeseheadbeer:
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 12, 2018, 12:10:55 PM
Just what the forum needs

Absolutely it is needed .
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: Chestertonian on September 12, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Just what the forum needs

what did I just tell you about setting that bar too high?!   :cheeseheadbeer:

Maybe it will get Laus to come back
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: MundaCorMeum on September 12, 2018, 01:45:51 PM
Just what the forum needs

Absolutely it is needed .


Oh, I agree.  But, somehow, along with topics like pants vs. skirts; and breastfeeding vs. bottle feeding; it seems to bring out the immaturity in some people.  (I'm not implying that about you, by the way...just a general observation that it is, unfortunately, a hot button topic).
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: Traditionallyruralmom on September 12, 2018, 04:26:41 PM
I left the forum for a while because there was a vax thread where I read other traditional Catholics calling those that choose not to vaccinate (me) an idiot and a danger to society (and other choice derogatory names) because I have made the educated choice not to pursue vaccinations in my young children at the rate of the modern schedule.  I am fine with selective vaccination when the child is older, at a much slower and spaced out pace than todays protocol, and avoiding ones that use dead babies. 

Not sure how the Church can ok dead babies used to create vaccines "for the greater good" when they completely say no to fetal stem cell research, telling us the ends never justify the means. 
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: Heinrich on September 12, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
I left the forum for a while because there was a vax thread where I read other traditional Catholics calling those that choose not to vaccinate (me) an idiot and a danger to society (and other choice derogatory names) because I have made the educated choice not to pursue vaccinations in my young children at the rate of the modern schedule.  I am fine with selective vaccination when the child is older, at a much slower and spaced out pace than todays protocol, and avoiding ones that use dead babies. 

Not sure how the Church can ok dead babies used to create vaccines "for the greater good" when they completely say no to fetal stem cell research, telling us the ends never justify the means.

Exactly. Terrible behavior by some. Especially bad when one regular "boohoo me" incessantly poster piled on and made fun of those wanting answers.
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 13, 2018, 08:56:57 AM
This is not vaccine related but I posted it as its a scary story of organ donation.  When I was viewing the other YT clip on insertional mutogenesis (dna from aborted baby attaching to our own dna) I did wonder about transplants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6160259/Three-people-died-breast-cancer-caught-organ-donor.html
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: Elizabeth on September 13, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
 :madsmiley:
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on September 14, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
An overall excellent one-stop-shop Catholic website re: vaccines - Children of God for Life

Fr Ripperger on the morality of using aborted fetal vaccines
https://cogforlife.org/2018/08/22/fr-ripperger-on-the-morality-of-using-aborted-fetal-vaccines/ (https://cogforlife.org/2018/08/22/fr-ripperger-on-the-morality-of-using-aborted-fetal-vaccines/)

Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: drummerboy on September 14, 2018, 02:38:45 AM
Weren't vaccines invented by the staunchly Catholic Louis Pasteur?  Obviously he would never have dreamt they'd come to what they are today.  Apart from the use of fetal tissue, I'm fine with vaccines, but I believe the modern schedule is way too fast, sticking babies with multiple vaccines like a pin cushion.  I don't believe vaccines are soley responsible for all the problems we're seeing now either, very likely a combination of other environmental and dietary factors that simply overload the infant's already fragile body.
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 14, 2018, 03:30:08 AM
Weren't vaccines invented by the staunchly Catholic Louis Pasteur?  Obviously he would never have dreamt they'd come to what they are today.  Apart from the use of fetal tissue, I'm fine with vaccines, but I believe the modern schedule is way too fast, sticking babies with multiple vaccines like a pin cushion.  I don't believe vaccines are soley responsible for all the problems we're seeing now either, very likely a combination of other environmental and dietary factors that simply overload the infant's already fragile body.

What specific vaccines have you refused knowing the live virus is used in aborted babys cells?
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: drummerboy on September 15, 2018, 02:17:56 AM
Weren't vaccines invented by the staunchly Catholic Louis Pasteur?  Obviously he would never have dreamt they'd come to what they are today.  Apart from the use of fetal tissue, I'm fine with vaccines, but I believe the modern schedule is way too fast, sticking babies with multiple vaccines like a pin cushion.  I don't believe vaccines are soley responsible for all the problems we're seeing now either, very likely a combination of other environmental and dietary factors that simply overload the infant's already fragile body.

What specific vaccines have you refused knowing the live virus is used in aborted babys cells?

Don't have kids yet, but doctors keep wanting my tetanus shot renewed, just too lazy to read up on it.  I've heard the TDP vaccine has been linked to develpment of diabetes, since I'm already diabetic cause I don't have to worry about that!
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 15, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
Here is a list of vaccines that contain cell lines of aborted babies.  I got this list from Children of God for Life.

Vaccines Containing Aborted Fetal Material And the Manufacturers:
  Adenovirus 5,7 (Barr Laboratories ) MMR II: Rubella portion of Measles, Mumps, Rubella combo (Merck) ProQuad:  MMR + Varicella  (Merck) Varivax:  Varicella (Merck) Pentacel:  Polio + DTaP + HiB (Sanofi Pasteur) Vaqta:  Hepatitis-A  (Merck) Havrix: Hepatitis-A  (GSK) Twinrix:  Hepatitis-A/B (GSK) Zostavax:  Shingles  (Merck) Imovax:  Rabies  (Sanofi Pasteur) Acambis 1000: Smallpox (Acambis
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: diaduit on September 15, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
Here is a list of non vaccine products >:(

Ajinomoto:   North America spices and seasonings   
  Aji-No-Moto Umani seasoning Hondashi Flavor Seasoning Techno-A Savory Seasoning Nestles Products  All refrigerated coffee creamers Maggi Brand instant soups, bouillon cubes, ketchups, sauces, seasoning, instant noodles
 Products CONTAINING Aborted Fetal Cells, Components, Proteins, DNA
 Neocutis  Anti-Aging Skin Creams   Contain cells from a 14 week gestation aborted male baby.  Following is the list of the creams:
  Bio-Gel,  Prevedem,  Journee    Bio-Serum,  Lumiere Bio Restorative Skin Cream   
 Decouverte Cosmetics Contains tropoelastin from embryonic stem cel
Title: Re: its not a pants thread but a vaccine one.....boom!!
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 15, 2018, 02:10:40 PM
This is not vaccine related but I posted it as its a scary story of organ donation.  When I was viewing the other YT clip on insertional mutogenesis (dna from aborted baby attaching to our own dna) I did wonder about transplants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6160259/Three-people-died-breast-cancer-caught-organ-donor.html

Thanks, Diaduit :)