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[bigbadtrad]

Ireland is ok, the people are wonderful, but there are very few trad families. I enjoy all of my conversations after Mass and find the Irish incredibly nice, probably the nicest in the world. If only there were more Irish trads this would be a grand slam. If you have a young family don't expect to meet many other families with younger children. There are maybe 10 in total in the whole country with more than 4 kids and under the age of 10. I don't see many marriages on the horizon either.

Between diocesan and SSPX locations, I would hold that statement to be exaggerated.

I know their names so I'm not exaggerating. Do you or are you guessing?

In the path of clarity I'll get you a better number. I have friends who attend all of the Masses and I'll get a better number, but 10 is about right give or take a few.

[Maximilian]

Ireland is ok, the people are wonderful, but there are very few trad families. I enjoy all of my conversations after Mass and find the Irish incredibly nice, probably the nicest in the world. If only there were more Irish trads this would be a grand slam. If you have a young family don't expect to meet many other families with younger children. There are maybe 10 in total in the whole country with more than 4 kids and under the age of 10. I don't see many marriages on the horizon either.

Between diocesan and SSPX locations, I would hold that statement to be exaggerated.

I know their names so I'm not exaggerating. Do you or are you guessing?

In the path of clarity I'll get you a better number. I have friends who attend all of the Masses and I'll get a better number, but 10 is about right give or take a few.

I know someone who's spent a bit of time with all the traditional groups in Ireland, and from what I hear your description is pretty accurate. It seems that the traditional community in Ireland hasn't gained a lot of traction yet, especially among the young people. It's taken St. Mary's 40 years to get to where they are today, and Ireland is at least 30 years behind. I do know of one lovely young family in West Cork with 6 or 7 children under the age of 10.

I don't see many marriages on the horizon either.

There was a marriage just last week between a traditional Catholic from Cork and an American. They'll be living in the Cork area.

[bigbadtrad]

I know someone who's spent a bit of time with all the traditional groups in Ireland, and from what I hear your description is pretty accurate. It seems that the traditional community in Ireland hasn't gained a lot of traction yet, especially among the young people. It's taken St. Mary's 40 years to get to where they are today, and Ireland is at least 30 years behind. I do know of one lovely young family in West Cork with 6 or 7 children under the age of 10.

I will say they exist, just rare. There a bunch in the charismaniac circles though, far more than trads. And I did forget to include Resistance families which actually have a few big families, but I don't know them as I arrived here after the split. I only know family from the Resistance with a lot of kids and there is another I only know of so you can add 2. I know there is a bigger Resistance group in Cork but again I don't travel in those circles.

A friend of mine here just lamented me the lack of eligible men for his daughter to marry throughout the whole country.

Biggest reason why tradition won't "catch on" is the parish isn't just a parish like the US but a way of life. The continuity with your family, the people who will go to your burial (which are always well attended). No one buries the dead like the Irish, it's very beautiful.

With that comes the "family" of that parish. It's the connection to your life from sports, marriage, baptism to death. It's who you go to the pub with, your sports team, etc.. It's a big deal to just be trad and leave that. I see it, it's not easy.


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There was a marriage just last week between a traditional Catholic from Cork and an American. They'll be living in the Cork area.
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Deo gratias.

I do know a young couple who will probably marry, but as I said there aren't that many on the horizon. They do exist. Another young couple just had their 1st baby recently which is great. They got married last year.

[Christe Eleison]

Bad, what do you do for a living?

I teach marketing/online consulting & have a few white label products I actively market as well. It's all online stuff so I can travel anywhere with a good connection.

I should also mention there aren't many non-SSPX priories worldwide. It's pretty much them or bust except in US, France & Germany and they do have a priory in Melbourne and Fr. Rizzo has a church there as well, although I forgot where.

I forgot to mention Germany because it was so conclusive to me no one should move there unless they are getting paid a few million or they want their head examined. The trad schools are forced to read books which are opposed by parents and priests by decree of the gov't. We had 2 nice young woman who stayed with us for a week from the girls school in Germany (I know how it's pronounced but wouldn't dare spell it for fear of correction hahahaha). They told us how bad the books are and the nuns were against the curriculum as well so they force the kids to read them in their senior year. Homeschooling is illegal. They do have good pork though and the people are fun to argue with.

Again, thanks to Michael Wilson for bringing you back!

Dear BigBadTrad,

I really appreciate your input on all of the different places that you have either visited, lived, examined, etc. It is the real deal,
because you have experienced it firsthand. So, please stick around, I always enjoy your charitable kind posts!

Also, in my case, I truly want a solid TLM, but I also would love a strong trad community.
Maybe a parish with a vibrant homeschooling group.

A place where you can spend time in prayer on a First Friday, First Saturday, where you can find
a group of people you can go Christmas Caroling with,
a group of people that will visit a new mother & baby,
a group of people that will spend time making sandwiches & or soup for the poor in the area,
a group of people that will visit an elderly home,
a group of people that will help others in the parish that might be suffering or in need,
a group of people that will pray in front of an abortion clinic.

A group of people spending time going to Vespers, Benediction & daily Mass if possible.
A group of people that are truly practicing their faith. Living their faith!
And maybe where children might find their future spouse. 

God Bless you, BigBadTrad!  Thank you!

[diaduit]

I think only 10 families would be a slight exaggeration, there would be that in my local sspx centre.  Plenty of children and a few for First Holy Communion each year. 
What doesn't exist is a trad community.  At best there would be meet ups on Sundays and holy days.  Families do mix with each other but they don't live 'next door' so it would usually be organised. Roads are not great between smaller towns so its not like a trip down the motorway to visit (not third world either).  The Irish trads (me being one) would have commitments to our own families, community, sports clubs etc and we are very much entrenched in our own home locality which leaves little freedom to head off for the day to visit other trad families.
Irelands laws has insufferable involvement in the family but the op is correct that by and large you are free to rear your family as you please once you don't rock the boat too much.  State employees are too lazy here and really don't want hassle so you can fly under the radar a lot easier than in other countries.
We are super friendly and our day to day interaction with people is usually light and lively. But do not mistake the Irish as being anything like The Quiet Man, our nation has huge hositlity towards the church, the secularists are running the asylum and the sheep follow.  Call to any natives house and you will see a Sacred Heart or a crucifix in the home (usually a gift from an old aunt or mother of the couple) while the occupants chat about how Francis is going to finally allow the gays to get married in the church and thankfully we can now get an abortion in Ireland.
As for the different sspx or diocesan parishes, I could be biased but my own sspx centre has a good mix of young and old and has great potential.  We have a few towns in our surrounding areas which would be the least expensive areas to live in and we are an hour from Dublin.
What you do have is a visable Catholicity.  We have churches on every corner, shrines, holy sites etc. You could bless yourself 5 times passing a church or graveyard on a trip to the supermarket.

Anyone got any train driving or engineering experience , our national rail is hiring.  The train driver pay is very good and you could live decently on the basic wage .

http://www.irishrail.ie/about-us/career-opportunities-at-iarnrod-eireann

[Prayerful]

Train drivers never used to be advertised, and I'd wonder whether more than a few had grandfathers working for the Great Southern Railways. Even an aristocrat of the working class would find a house in Mounttown / Dun Laoghaire / Monkstown quite an expense. The SSPX had looked at the then just closed Anglican St Kevin's church (the one opened c 1870 and closed early '80s not the original medieval church behind DIT Kevin St which gives its name to the civil parish de-roofed in the 1900s) on SCR, but apparently the condition of it forbade further consideration. Yet it would have been nearer more moderately priced homes. I don't known how a tradville could be done in Ireland.

[Heinrich]

What you do have is a visable Catholicity.  We have churches on every corner, shrines, holy sites etc. You could bless yourself 5 times passing a church or graveyard on a trip to the supermarket.

Sounds like the Cincinnati, Ohio of my youth.

[diaduit]

Train drivers never used to be advertised, and I'd wonder whether more than a few had grandfathers working for the Great Southern Railways. Even an aristocrat of the working class would find a house in Mounttown / Dun Laoghaire / Monkstown quite an expense. The SSPX had looked at the then just closed Anglican St Kevin's church (the one opened c 1870 and closed early '80s not the original medieval church behind DIT Kevin St which gives its name to the civil parish de-roofed in the 1900s) on SCR, but apparently the condition of it forbade further consideration. Yet it would have been nearer more moderately priced homes. I don't known how a tradville could be done in Ireland.

I am from the midlands Prayerful and it is a close to a community as you can get so far.  We have towns Longford, Athlone, Roscommon, Ballinasloe, Tullamore all within driving distance (max 40 mins ) and these would have property especially in the rural surrounds that could be bought , not cheaply but a fair price (as Irish property prices go). Tullamore would be the most expensive and Longford being the cheapest.

[bigbadtrad]

I think only 10 families would be a slight exaggeration, there would be that in my local sspx centre. 

I said 10 families (give or take a few) with 4 kids under the age of 10. Not 10 families in total so sorry for the confusion, which I'll blame myself for as I added to 2 qualifiers. There are more families with kids aged 8-22, but not many with small children. My number could be off if there are Resistance families and I do know 1 that would qualify.

The rest of your post I heartily agree with. God bless.

[bigbadtrad]

I forgot to mention Spain.

The largest Mass center is Madrid. Barcelona and other cities have a Mass but the largest with daily Masses is Madrid. I lived 2 blocks from new church being constructed which looked horrible, and 3 blocks from their open location which was in the basement of an apartment building. There was only 2 families with 4 kids, and maybe 4 with 2-3 kids. Most were older folks. The new church is now open and it's disgusting looking, I can't even put it into words who bad it is. I know the ICK location had more families as it was larger, more centralized and better air conditioning but I can tell you it still wasn't a place where you could raise a family in any Catholic way.

Spain as a country is completely lost. Madrid is littered in pornographic images every morning as they stick pornographic images in the windows of people's cars every morning. Some are x-rated, many are highly seductive. They sell X-rated movies on the sidewalk in certain areas and I've never felt more happy to leave a place after living there after several months.

[Michael Wilson]

"Spain as a country is completely lost".
How true; I lived there for 14years and that was my same thought.

[christulsa]

Got 2 inquiries in last few days from 2 different SD'ers, seemingly unrelated, about moving to the Diocese of Tulsa here in Oklahoma.  Plus half a dozen similar requests for local info from SDers interested in re-locating here, in last couple years, usually about Clear Creek. Being back to the forum after several months, I saw this thread. 

Pros:

Clear Creek, FSSP Mass, one Motu Proprio Mass, Maronite rite.

Fiscally conservative.

Relatively good economy, good job market.


Cons:

Bishop Slattery retired. New bishop booted two trad religious communities.

SSPX recently left Tulsa.

Oklahoma has very little education or culture, which IMO explains why so few Catholics here are tradition-minded.

Clear Creek lay community has a lot of conflict among families of different ideologies, are mostly not traditionalists per se, a lot of unstable ways of living/poor access to work/etc.

FYI

But Will Rogers was from Oklahoma!

[Christe Eleison]

Got 2 inquiries in last few days from 2 different SD'ers, seemingly unrelated, about moving to the Diocese of Tulsa here in Oklahoma.  Plus half a dozen similar requests for local info from SDers interested in re-locating here, in last couple years, usually about Clear Creek. Being back to the forum after several months, I saw this thread. 

Pros:

Clear Creek, FSSP Mass, one Motu Proprio Mass, Maronite rite.

Fiscally conservative.

Relatively good economy, good job market.


Cons:

Bishop Slattery retired. New bishop booted two trad religious communities.

SSPX recently left Tulsa.

Oklahoma has very little education or culture, which IMO explains why so few Catholics here are tradition-minded.

Clear Creek lay community has a lot of conflict among families of different ideologies, are mostly not traditionalists per se, a lot of unstable ways of living/poor access to work/etc.

FYI

But Will Rogers was from Oklahoma!

Thanks for the information, Chris

I was wondering if you have any idea of how many Trad families are in the area?

Have you had your tap water tested? Thanks in advance.

[christulsa]

Got 2 inquiries in last few days from 2 different SD'ers, seemingly unrelated, about moving to the Diocese of Tulsa here in Oklahoma.  Plus half a dozen similar requests for local info from SDers interested in re-locating here, in last couple years, usually about Clear Creek. Being back to the forum after several months, I saw this thread. 

Pros:

Clear Creek, FSSP Mass, one Motu Proprio Mass, Maronite rite.

Fiscally conservative.

Relatively good economy, good job market.


Cons:

Bishop Slattery retired. New bishop booted two trad religious communities.

SSPX recently left Tulsa.

Oklahoma has very little education or culture, which IMO explains why so few Catholics here are tradition-minded.

Clear Creek lay community has a lot of conflict among families of different ideologies, are mostly not traditionalists per se, a lot of unstable ways of living/poor access to work/etc.

FYI

But Will Rogers was from Oklahoma!

Thanks for the information, Chris

I was wondering if you have any idea of how many Trad families are in the area?

Have you had your tap water tested? Thanks in advance.

Maybe 50 in Tulsa, a dozen at CC, + individuals.

Water is as polluted as any state.

Webber's root beer stand in Tulsa claims they invented the hamburger. I grilled the owner about that question (pun intended) and his story seems credible.

But our rate of bestiality in rural areas is rather high. Fyi. Lol

A church, restaurant, and meth lab on every corner here. Yes sir is what it is

[Heinrich]

Can one see trucks and such adorned with the Confederate Battle Flag?