Cdl. Burke backs away from his statements?!

Started by 1seeker, October 28, 2014, 12:04:25 PM

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Southern Ascetic

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October 28, 2014, 12:11:31 PM
Well.... alrighty then...  >:(

Roland Deschain2

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October 28, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
coward.
"To our personal enemies, according to Christ's commandment, we must forgive everything; but with the enemies of God we cannot have peace!"- Archbishop Averky

"Life is a play in which for a short time one man represents a judge, another a general, and so on; after the play no further account is made of the dignity which each one had."- St John Chrysostom

Jayne

#3
October 28, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
A transcript of the interview is available and anyone who cares to check can see for himself that Cdl. Burke was indeed misrepresented by Buzzfeed.  There is nothing the least cowardly about setting the record straight.

Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

LouisIX

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October 28, 2014, 12:29:40 PM Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 12:34:13 PM by LouisIX
Not only that, but what he said is indeed true.  It's not as if Pope Francis presented something heretical.  He presented nothing at all, and Cardinal Burke did (and continues to) speak very pointedly to this matter.

Quote from: +BurkeI did not state that Pope Francis has harmed the Church.  Rather, as the now published verbatim interview reveals, I was perfectly clear that it was a lack of clarity about where the Holy Father stands on issues related to marriage and Holy Communion that had caused the harm.  It is precisely for this reason that I subsequently said that only a statement from the Holy Father himself could now remove this lack of clarity.

So you see that the OP's title is even misleading.  Cardinal Burke has not backed away from any statements.  He made a statement about the Pope's "lack of clarity" hurting the Church which Buzzfeed altered to make it look as if Cardinal Burke was stating that something Francis had said or done was hurting the Church.

Those of you calling him cowardly are ridiculous.  He's been about as vocal as he could be during this synod and now merely wants to not be misrepresented.  I'd swear that some of you read the OP title alone and then post your pithy, unsubstantive remark as quickly as possible.
IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

TPC

#5
October 28, 2014, 12:32:12 PM
"I did not state that Pope Francis has harmed the Church.  Rather, as the now published verbatim interview reveals, I was perfectly clear that it was a lack of clarity about where the Holy Father stands on issues related to marriage and Holy Communion that had caused the harm.  It is precisely for this reason that I subsequently said that only a statement from the Holy Father himself could now remove this lack of clarity."   --  Cardinal Burke

Some jolly men there

whoops; LouisIX beat me to it

Innocent Smith

#6
October 28, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: Jayne on October 28, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
A transcript of the interview is available and anyone who cares to check can see for himself that Cdl. Burke was indeed misrepresented by Buzzfeed.  There is nothing the least cowardly about setting the record straight.

But, but, but, Louie Verhicho is coming to the rescue with his gold chains and his dago T!!! And he is harvesting the bitter fruit. In fact he keeps it in his storehouse and doles it out for all of us to eat.

I tell you that Cardinal Burke is a coward of the worse sort. A coward I tell you!!!

Sarcasm mode now switched off.

If Cardinal Burke is careful in his criticism of the pope, don't you all think that Michael Voris and CMTV ought to be as well? Shouldn't we all?

It was just a week or so ago that these same fickle forum members were praising Voris and Cardinal Burke. They seem to just blow like little seeds in the wind. Don't they?

Psalm 1:

Blessed is the man who hath not walked in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stood in the way of sinners, nor sat in the chair of pestilence.

But his will is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he shall meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree which is planted near the running waters, which shall bring forth its fruit, in due season. And his leaf shall not fall off: and all whatsoever he shall do shall prosper.

Not so the wicked, not so: but like the dust, which the wind driveth from the face of the earth.

Therefore the wicked shall not rise again in judgment: nor sinners in the council of the just.

For the Lord knoweth the way of the just: and the way of the wicked shall perish.

I am going to hold a pistol to the head of the modern man. But I shall not use it to kill him, only to bring him to life.

Roland Deschain2

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October 28, 2014, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Roland Deschain2 on October 28, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
coward.

I spoke in haste and retract. I should have taken the time to understand this.
"To our personal enemies, according to Christ's commandment, we must forgive everything; but with the enemies of God we cannot have peace!"- Archbishop Averky

"Life is a play in which for a short time one man represents a judge, another a general, and so on; after the play no further account is made of the dignity which each one had."- St John Chrysostom

Angelorum

#8
October 28, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
That article by Verrecchio was published without realizing that the Cardinal did not change his position at all, it looks like its merely click-bait.

Its also unfortunate that sites such as The Remnant when originally reporting the story headlined it with "Pope has harmed the Church" when it removes the context of what +Burke actually said in the Buzzfeed interview.
"All men naturally desire to know, but what does knowledge avail without the fear of God? Indeed an humble peasant, that serves God, is better than a proud philosopher, who neglecting himself, considers the course of the heavens." - Thomas à Kempis, Imitation of Christ

1seeker

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October 28, 2014, 01:06:08 PM Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 01:14:28 PM by 1seeker
I guess I too could agree that Burke's words were microscopically different from what was published, but I could be excused in believing that Burke said what we thought, by the AVALANCHE from neo-cons saying that he did, including some who've posted here, and including Voris himself ("Pope harming the church").

When the Synod was about to hit the fan, this was on everyone's mind -- the Pope IS harming the church, and we have cardinals ready to stand up to him. Now since the revisionist mopup crew is here to clean up that mess, and declare that Francis is back to being read through Benedict as a jolly good fellow ("solus pontifex"), now everyone is re-editing and retracting their statements of fear and despair.

So what are we left with in the end? That Burke never said the courageous words he did? The one 'calling out of the Pope' we had at the Synod, the 'most courageous event of the last 500 years', never took place? Burke distances himself from any adversarial stance towards the Pope? If so I fear the rumors of having champions in the Vatican may be rather overstated.

GloriaPatri

#10
October 28, 2014, 01:14:14 PM
And this is what scares me about Trads (at least internet ones); they run off to make a conclusion or post information without checking sources, whether it be about science, politics, or even ecclesiastical news. What ever happened to being "wise as serpents and innocent as doves"?

Jayne

#11
October 28, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: 1seeker on October 28, 2014, 01:06:08 PM
So what are we left with in the end? That Burke never said the courageous words he did? The one 'calling out of the Pope' we had at the Synod, the 'most courageous event of the last 500 years', never took place? Burke distances himself from any adversarial stance towards the Pope? If so I fear the rumors of having champions in the Vatican may be rather overstated.

What Cardinal Burke actually said was courageous.  He called for the Pope to speak out clearly rather than leave us in confusion.  One does not have to attack or insult the Pope in order to be courageous.
Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

Jayne

#12
October 28, 2014, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: GloriaPatri on October 28, 2014, 01:14:14 PM
And this is what scares me about Trads (at least internet ones); they run off to make a conclusion or post information without checking sources, whether it be about science, politics, or even ecclesiastical news. What ever happened to being "wise as serpents and innocent as doves"?

Some trads in this thread did not behave as you describe.  You are generalizing from a small sample, a fallacy in itself.
Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

Miriam_M

#13
October 28, 2014, 01:23:54 PM
I agree with Louis that this was a clarification, not a recanting or contradiction.  Burke's complaint was and is Francis' silence and the problem with how that silence is received by the Church wordwide.  Cardinal Burke is accuate: Yes, it's a problem.

1seeker

#14
October 28, 2014, 01:28:02 PM
Quote from: Jayne on October 28, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: 1seeker on October 28, 2014, 01:06:08 PM
So what are we left with in the end? That Burke never said the courageous words he did? The one 'calling out of the Pope' we had at the Synod, the 'most courageous event of the last 500 years', never took place? Burke distances himself from any adversarial stance towards the Pope? If so I fear the rumors of having champions in the Vatican may be rather overstated.

What Cardinal Burke actually said was courageous.  He called for the Pope to speak out clearly rather than leave us in confusion.  One does not have to attack or insult the Pope in order to be courageous.

But the Pope is harming the church. Don't you think so? Who in the Vatican (now) do we have as a face for this viewpoint? We're back to day 1 of this Pontificate. The cleanup has been done, and the revitalization of Francis as a pastoral traditionalist is completed.
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