Pope Francis in hospital

[Konrad von Marburg]

Summa Theologica Secunda Secundae Pars, Q. 83, Article 8, Reply to the First Objection:

The imprecations contained in Holy Writ may be understood in four ways. First, according to the custom of the prophets "to foretell the future under the veil of an imprecation," as Augustine states [*De Serm. Dom. in Monte i, 21]. Secondly, in the sense that certain temporal evils are sometimes inflicted by God on the wicked for their correction. Thirdly, because they are understood to be pronounced, not against the men themselves, but against the kingdom of sin, with the purpose, to wit, of destroying sin by the correction of men. Fourthly, by way of conformity of our will to the Divine justice with regard to the damnation of those who are obstinate in sin.

and in the Reply to Obj. 3:

It is lawful to attack one's enemies, that they may be restrained from sin: and this is for their own good or for the good of others. Consequently it is even lawful in praying to ask that temporal evils be inflicted on our enemies for their own good or for the good of others.

[Michael Wilson]

We really don't know if Pope Francis is irremediably lost; we can always pray and hope for his conversion.

[Miriam_M]

UPDATE

Pope Francis, who has been battling pneumonia for two weeks, has had an "isolated" breathing crisis in hospital, the Vatican has said.

It led to an episode of vomiting and a "sudden worsening of his respiratory condition" on Friday following the coughing "bronchospasm".

The 88-year-old's lungs had to be aspirated - cleared of the vomit - and he is now receiving gas through a face mask to help him breathe.

Vatican sources say the Pope's doctors need 24-48 hours to determine whether there has been any damage or set back to his condition. For now they are not giving any prognosis.

The Pope remains alert and "in good spirits", the sources say.


In a statement the Vatican said: "In the early afternoon of today, after a morning spent alternating respiratory physiotherapy with prayer in the chapel, the Holy Father presented an isolated crisis of bronchospasm which, however, led to an episode of vomiting with inhalation and sudden worsening of the respiratory condition.

"The Holy Father was promptly bronchoaspirated and began non-invasive mechanical ventilation, with a good response to gas exchange."

Vatican sources said the latest crisis happened at around 14:00 local time, but did not say how long it lasted.

This latest episode comes after a couple of days in which Vatican statements had been slightly more positive, talking of a "slight improvement" in the pontiff's condition.

This morning he was given Communion.

In an earlier medical update this morning, the Vatican had said the pontiff was showing signs of improvement and would remain in Rome's Gemelli Hospital due to the complex clinical picture.

The Pope was admitted to hospital on 14 February after experiencing breathing difficulties for several days.

He was first treated for bronchitis before being diagnosed with pneumonia in both lungs.

Then, on 22 February, the Vatican said that the Pope had experienced a respiratory crisis and was in a "critical" condition, but later on Sunday released an update saying that he had "not presented any further respiratory crises".

The following day, the Pope issued a statement asking Catholics to pray for him after he was unable to deliver the traditional Angelus prayer in person for the second week running.

But, while the Vatican said the Pope's health is improving, it added that "further days of clinical stability are necessary to resolve the prognosis".

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd655917g6qo

[diaduit]

I'd speculate that Pope Francis is dead for awhile!!

[clau clau]

I'd speculate that Pope Francis is dead for awhile!!

[Michael Wilson]

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2025/02/francis-in-critical-condition.html#more

The Holy See Press Office issued the following medical update on Pope Francis on Saturday evening:

    The condition of the Holy Father continues to be critical. Therefore, as explained yesterday, the Pope is not out of danger. This morning, Pope Francis experienced an asthma-like respiratory crisis of prolonged intensity, which required the administration of high-flow oxygen.

    Today's blood tests also revealed thrombocytopenia, associated with anemia, which required the administration of blood transfusions.

    The Holy Father remains alert and spent the day in an armchair, although he is more uncomfortable than yesterday. At the moment, the prognosis remains guarded.

[Antoninus]

I don't want to engage in conspiracy theories, but didn't we see photos of JPII after he was shot and in the hospital? Have there been any photos of Francis in the past two weeks? This just all sounds suspect.

[Michael Wilson]

Considering all the horrible and diabolic things that have gone on at the Vatican since the death of Pius XII (who knows if he wasn't poisoned); anything is possible.

[Miriam_M]

UPDATE 3-3-25

Two more episodes of acute respiratory insufficiency.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-03/pope-suffers-two-episodes-of-acute-respiratory-failure.html

Bronchoscopes and aspiration were necessary.

[drummerboy]

UPDATE 3-3-25

Two more episodes of acute respiratory insufficiency.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-03/pope-suffers-two-episodes-of-acute-respiratory-failure.html

Bronchoscopes and aspiration were necessary.

I was reading elsewhere that due to bring overweight and having poor muscle tone, his body is unable to cough up the phlegm on its own.  So these episodes will likely go on.

[Miriam_M]

Rumors of papal resignation:

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/pope-francis-pneumonia/2025/03/04/id/1201262/?ns_mail_uid=03277240-a7ba-49a4-a958-5b933f719ca6&ns_mail_job=DM760567_03042025&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502s6my4i

[Miriam_M]

Listened to first part of his recent audio message, courtesy of BBC.  Definitely having trouble breathing; one can hear the struggle.

[Miriam_M]

Not much of an update:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-health-news-vatican-update-gemelli-hospital-b2715129.html

[KreKre]

At the SSPX chapel where I go to mass, we say:

℣. Orémus pro Pontífice nostro Francisco.
℟. Dóminus consérvet eum, et vivíficet eum, et beátum fáciat eum in terra, et non tradat eum in ánimam inimicórum ejus.
~~~~~
℣. Let us pray for Francis, our Pope.
℟. May the Lord preserve him, give him a long life, make him blessed upon the earth, and not hand him over to the power of his enemies.

Who are his enemies? This is not explicitly said, but clearly, among them is the devil who seduced him into saying stupid, heretical things like "all religions are a path to God".

[diaduit]

I've no link but I've seen a few photos of him from last week and he looks like he is on deaths door, bloated and yellow.