What do you think of Medjugorje?

[Xavier]

Title Question. I know Catholics who've been there and now believe it's genuinely supernatural, even those either who doubted it earlier.

Thoughts?

[OzarkCatholic]

It's biggest proponents have always been offbeat NO mass goers when I've interacted with them. Not my cup of tea.

[Lucryster]

It's nonsense. Mary would never appear to people that would go on to make money off her message.

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[Antoninus]

I don't believe it is authentic.

[Goldfinch]

Title Question. I know Catholics who've been there and now believe it's genuinely supernatural, even those either who doubted it earlier.

Thoughts?

It's a hoax that promotes religious indifferentism.

Medjugorje: Condemned by Tradition.

"The Ruini Report": If Only It Were a Joke.

[GerryS]

First post! --- Hi Everybody.

A topic near and dear to me -- I've had a number of people who have tried to inform me about Mej.   It's really simple, unless I have missed a bit in the news, I admit I haven't worried much about it.   

Its private relevation, so it is not binding.    The local ordinary has not approved it, and it is ongoing.    Until it is closed out and it can be investigated form start to finish I am not prepared to give it any consideration.    If 1% of it is a lie, its 100% poisonous.   

Frankly --- the Vickas "flinch" and her excuse for the same was more than ample evidence for me to doubt her credability.

[andy]

Title Question. I know Catholics who've been there and now believe it's genuinely supernatural, even those either who doubted it earlier.

Thoughts?

The biggest question here is what do YOU think about it?

[Jmartyr]

A copy and paste post from another thread:
Medjugorje and the Pentecostal movement are also popular. A lot of it imo is based on emotions and feeling instead of rationality and reality. A feeling of "the divine" is also found in people who worship scarab beetles and dung heaps, to quote the great Romano Amerio in Iota Unum.
I went to Medjugorje, not knowing any better. I actually had an experience of ecstasy while praying the rosary there. Time felt like it stopped, I felt the most at peace ever in my life, and I could see the sun dancing, while looking directly at it. Then later on in life,and finding out" Our Lady " contradicted Catholic Dogma, realized it had to be a deception of the devil.

[Xavier]

Title Question. I know Catholics who've been there and now believe it's genuinely supernatural, even those either who doubted it earlier.

Thoughts?

The biggest question here is what do YOU think about it?

Some years ago, I thought it was false, but now I think it may be true. Some very lukewarm Catholics who went there have now become very fervent. Some of these even attend the TLM. Also, Pope Francis recently authorized pilgrimages to Medjugorje. Rosaries have turned gold there; if it is authentic, Our Lady is putting Her mark on the Rosary again, just as She did at Fatima: "One sign that is always spoken about when discussing Medjugorje is about pilgrims' rosaries turning gold." https://medjugorje.com/rosaries-turning-gold/ I'm still investigating it, but I'm not closed to the possibility its true any longer.

"Authorization of Pilgrimage Made Official
According to Massimiliano Menichetti from Vatican News, on May 12, 2019, Pope Francis authorized pilgrimages to Medjugorje considering the "considerable flow of people who go to Medjugorje and the abundant fruits of grace that have sprung from it." These pilgrimages can now be officially organized by dioceses and parishes even though the authentication of these visions has not been granted.[2] The first sanctioned pilgrimage then took place for five days from August 2–6, 2019. During the pilgrimage, approximately 60,000 young Catholics from 97 different countries took part in the celebration of a youth festival. Fourteen archbishops and bishops and about 700 Catholic priests joined the festivities as well.[21]

Gian Franco Svidercoschi, who co-wrote the book "Gift and Mystery" with Pope John Paul II, and others, suggests that the Church has drawn a distinction between the "apparitions" and Medjugorje as a place of prayer.[22] The general position seems to be that the spiritual fruits are undeniable.[23][22]"

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_response_to_the_Medjugorje_apparitions

God Bless.

[andy]

https://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/medjugorje-a-warning-michael-davies.pdf

[Xavier]

Well, I like Michael Davies, especially his Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, posted by SSPX Asia here: http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Apologia/

But Davies concludes saying: "The verdict of the Bishops' Conference is for me an authoritative instruction, responsive and
binding unless another kind of verdict is brought. But until now there has been no other (ecclesiastical) judgment."

And the issue here is that precisely some "other ecclesiastical judgment" has now been given by the Vatican. There was a study done some 10 years ago called the Ruini Report and it was positive about the supernatural nature of the original visions. Based on those, Pope Francis would later authorize pilgrimages there; besides, there are miracles and good fruits to consider.

"Thirteen votes in favor of recognizing the supernatural nature of the first seven appearances in Medjugorje, one vote against and one "suspensive" ballot, which will give a final answer later. A majority of suspensive votes and many doubts instead, concerning the apparition phenomenon from the end of 1981 to today."

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/36051/medjugorje-the-findings-of-the-ruini-report

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/mysticpost/2017/05/16/vatican-recognizes-supernatural-nature-medjugorje-apparitions/

God Bless.

[andy]

But Davies concludes saying: "The verdict of the Bishops' Conference is for me an authoritative instruction, responsive and
binding unless another kind of verdict is brought. But until now there has been no other (ecclesiastical) judgment."

This is good catch - there is a open door indeed here fur current Church government to have the decision reconsidered. However, at the same time Davies expects "serious, solid, and professional investigation" though, which to my knowledge has not happened and already existing doubts have not been addressed.

"Thirteen votes in favor of recognizing the supernatural nature of the first seven appearances in Medjugorje, one vote against and one "suspensive" ballot, which will give a final answer later. A majority of suspensive votes and many doubts instead, concerning the apparition phenomenon from the end of 1981 to today."

It is obvious, that you as Novus Ordo catholic will stick to current Church government ruling.

The better question is: how many TLM only Catholics recognize Medjugorje?

[Xavier]

So you appeal to Church government when you like, then immediately disregard it when you don't like? Cool, have it your way.

I'm a TLM Catholic who's attended the SSPX for years and written articles promoting the TLM and defending the SSPX.

But I am not TLM only, that's correct. I've been a Daily Mass Catholic all my life, even before I discovered Tradition, and remain so. I consider the New Mass Deficient or Inferior, in terms of giving less graces, but not a sin, as I explained in the proper place.

To your question, I don't know. Maybe you have the data or stats. I don't. Btw, Akita also took place in a New Mass setting.

God Bless.

[TradGranny]

It's nonsense. Mary would never appear to people that would go on to make money off her message.

That says it all.

[Bernadette]

I thought it was condemned by the local bishop?