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Those wages are significantly high in contrast to those of most countries for the same type of work and given a cost of living that's not that high.


--- Quote from: ralfy on February 16, 2021, 11:05:56 PM ---Those wages are significantly high in contrast to those of most countries for the same type of work and given a cost of living that's not that high.

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Which is the point. H1B visas are the goal. Get Rajnith from the Mumbai call center for pennies on the dollar, abuse him and his, ..., profit.


--- Quote from: Heinrich on February 16, 2021, 11:41:12 AM ---//
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Well, you get what you pay for, just saying...

I don't know who this guy is, but he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.

I think the biggest point that he's missing is the possibility of career advancement and job security. Usually if you're looking for an entry-level "coding" job, it's not just because you need a job in order to pay the rent, but because you're somebody who is looking specifically to get into software development, and who is planning on using the entry-level "coding" job in order to make his way into the industry, presumably with the intention of eventually attaining a better (and higher-paying) job such as senior developer or lead developer (ideally with a company that isn't foreseeably going to go out of business any time soon). It makes little to no sense to take a $15 per hour pizza delivery job over a lower-paying $8 per hour "coding" job if your intention is to work in software development, since the pizza delivery job does not lead to a job in software development. (It especially doesn't make sense in this day and age, when we can see from the trajectory that pizza delivery jobs are gradually being replaced by freelancers working through GrubHub, and even public schools have moved online and if they keep it up might do away with in-person entirely. Not only will you be working a job that doesn't lead anywhere, but you'll be working a job that might not even exist a few years down the road.)

Second, "entry-level" in the development industry oftentimes requires a related bachelor's degree and usually requires two to three years of experience. And it's not all that out of the ordinary that an "entry-level" job would require a broad skillset (we're talking "jack of all trades" sort of skills. You'd need to know the back-end programming, the front-end programming, the UI design, the UX, etc. You don't need to be an expert in all these areas, but you do need competency). So his criticism on those two points is unwarranted. He presents it as if what these companies are asking for is unrealistic or laughable, when it's actually just the nature of an entry-level job in this particular industry (and especially when it's a small company who doesn't have the budget to hire separate entry-level developers for each specific job or task).

Third, the reason for the low wage is not because companies are trying to rip off their employees (although that might be part of it) but it's obviously a matter of supply and demand (which he dismisses right off the bat for no apparent reason). A "coding" job, taken in itself, is similar to pizza delivery and school bus driving, in that none of these jobs are the sorts of jobs that require a particularly exceptional level of skill. Anybody with the right training can do it, and a ton of people out there have the training. This means that there are likely far more applicants than there are jobs. And this is especially true in cases when the "coding" job can be done remotely, since there is then no geographic factor limiting the number of applicants. But any time there are more applicants than jobs, wages go down. Because why pay somebody more when you can pay an equally-qualified person less? I am also skeptical with regard to his claim that the average wage for a "coding" job is in fact lower than the average wage of the pizza delivery job / school bus driver job. But even granting this, it kind of makes sense, since, again, it's a matter of supply and demand. "Coding" jobs are generally more pleasant / more relaxing / more desirable than pizza delivery or school bus driving jobs, (and, unlike driving, "coding" can even sometimes be done remotely,) so there are bound to be more applicants, whereas pizza companies / bus companies, at least in certain locations, might conceivably have a shortage of applicants and may need to pay a higher wage to make up for it.


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