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Habitual_Ritual:
The purpose of faith is actually to make us credulous of theological truths, to give us belief. One can have knowledge but not belief. And as a virtue, Faith needs to be exercised habitually in order to achieve the state of credulity .

Daniel:
But aren't we already credulous, even without faith? People believe in all sorts of things.

A man without faith has a will. By his own volitional powers, he could always just choose to believe that Christ is God. He doesn't need faith for that. But the man without faith who is committed to Truth cannot choose to believe that Christ is God, because he doesn't know that it's true. Knowledge comes first, then belief. Otherwise he forsakes Truth, holding something to be true which might not be true, and then further putting his potentially-false belief into practice.

edit - Is this not why the pagan sins in worshipping his gods? He believes that they are God, but they are in fact not God. And so his belief leads him to idolatry. Yet if he had faith, he'd know that his gods are not God. And if he had faith and was a good person, he'd worship God rather than his gods.

Habitual_Ritual:

--- Quote from: Daniel on December 01, 2018, 10:03:08 AM ---But aren't we already credulous, even without faith? People believe in all sorts of things.


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I am referring to those doctrines and dogmas that the Church promulgates into perpetuity. Not 'all sorts of things' .
Faith brings credulity and acceptance even when full knowledge or understanding may be lacking . Faith transcends our abiltiy to understand as individuals. Our ability to understand may of course be faulty or lacking, intellectually

Daniel:

--- Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on December 01, 2018, 10:08:05 AM ---I am referring to those doctrines and dogmas that the Church promulgates into perpetuity. Not 'all sorts of things' .
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But here's what I mean: The Church says that Christ is God. The thing is, even without faith people can still choose to believe that Christ is God. There's nothing preventing the will from choosing to believe whatever it chooses to believe, especially if the intellect thinks that the proposition is true or at least might be true. It's not as if the claim "Christ is God" is self-refuting or logically impossible. Nevertheless, just because the proposition can be true doesn't mean that it must be true.

Habitual_Ritual:

--- Quote from: Daniel on December 01, 2018, 10:13:28 AM --- even without faith people can still choose to believe that Christ is God.

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Yes, this is why having faith is more than mere acceptance. Faith is a virtue (habit/activity) that manifests in how we react to/practice based on our acceptance. It is more than just belief, it is also a life of habitual practice that manifests daily, the acceptance of these teachings.
Protestants who have a 'personal relationship with Jesus' will tell you they accept Christ as Savior intellectually, but their lives often lack any habitual manifestation of this in terms of moderation of behavior or a sacramental life. Faith is praxis + belief

This is why we 'practice the Faith' . Now, some people have the opposite  problem. The go through the motions but have no belief.  Faith is praxis + belief

The Devil, after all, 'believes' in God.

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