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The History Subforum / Re: Catholic Perspective on Bastille Day
« Last post by Kaesekopf on Today at 06:21:07 PM »
The bastille days festival in Milwaukee is mostly that of French new Orleans, lol

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The Coffee Pot / Re: World Cup 2018
« Last post by awkwardcustomer on Today at 05:34:28 PM »
Many congratulations to France for winning the World Cup.

Thank you for the masonic revolution (and what has ensued) and killing all those Catholics, France!  Here's the World Cup, in commemoration of Bastille Day.

And the squad from the venerable old French town of Seulement-Vois-Je-Les-Musulmans, in the province of Senegal du Nord seems to have won this Cup. `

Joyeux quatorze juillet if you voted for Macron, this is what you get.

It's only football.
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There's simply an allegorical image of judgment in Daniel and some religious artists took the liberty to butcher the 2nd commandment and depict the Father as a man. And since tradition often makes tradition, it stuck.

So you're OK with the Son being depicted as a lamb and the Holy Spirit as a dove, but not the Father as a man?
The 2nd commandment forbids idols from being made, not symbolic images. An icon is not an idol.

Actually, the Orthodox have trouble with depicting the Son as a Lamb, and although it was a standard practice for centuries, the Council of Trullo forbade - from that point onward - any more icons of the Son of God as a Lamb, which is why you rarely see it in Eastern Churches.

The canon in question:
"In some pictures of the venerable icons, a lamb is painted to which the Precursor [i.e., St. John the Baptist] points his finger, which is received as a type of grace, indicating beforehand through the Law, our true Lamb, Christ our God. Embracing therefore the ancient types and shadows as symbols of the truth, and patterns given to the Church, we prefer “grace and truth,” receiving it as the fulfilment of the Law. In order therefore that “that which is perfect” may be delineated to the eyes of all, at least in coloured expression, we decree that the figure in human form of the Lamb who taketh away the sin of the world, Christ our God, be henceforth exhibited in images, instead of the ancient lamb, so that all may understand by means of it the depths of the humiliation of the Word of God, and that we may recall to our memory his conversation in the flesh, his passion and salutary death, and his redemption which was wrought for the whole world."

Although according to a friend (I haven't seen the source itself), Saint Nektorios said it was okay to portray Christ as a Lamb.

The West didn't really follow this Council.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: New SSPX superior general!!
« Last post by Arvinger on Today at 05:22:43 PM »
Oh, and let's not forget about the phony rosary crusades.  It took a while but we eventually found out that GREC was the organization of interested parties including FSSP, ecumenical advisors, diplomats and SSPX participants with the stated goal of acclimating the SSPX followers into eventually accepting Vatican II utilizing "ecumenical" techniques in the mode of Vatican II "dialogue."  The Rosary crusades were simply designed as window dressing to encourage the faithful to believe they were on the right path. 

  This is a very grave accusation.


By their fruits you shall know them.  The lifting of the phony excommunications was all explained away with lies.  There never was an excommunication, it was an injustice done by John Paul II.  It was not an act of "mercy" by Benedict but rather a compromise by which an indebtedness was granted to Benedict that was unwarranted. 

The "freeing" of the TLM was simultaneously an admission that the TLM was never outlawed. And in the same swoop, it was categorized with the Novus Ordo as the same rite and simultaneously had handcuffs put on it regarding the freedom of priests to say it publicly. 

The "Crusade" for the consecration of Russia simply got nowhere and that has a separate element to it because of the theological errors inherent in the Fatima message, but even if people don't believe that, the fact is, it went nowhere. 

So, it doesn't seem that the Rosary Crusades have truly brought forth any good fruit.  That's not to say that the well-intentioned participants weren't given spiritual graces for the good will attempt, but the fulfillment of them is simply political spin to give cover for pre-determined outcomes as delineated in the GREC conspiracy/scandal.

I have to agree with Elizabeth. Unless you have some reliable information from sources within the SSPX, suggesting such nefarious intentions behind organizing these Rosary Crusades seems uncharitable.

Also, the fact that the Rosary Crusades apparently did not produce visible and immediate effects does not prove such accusation. There are cases when God does not grant graces Catholics earnestly and honestly pray for, for the reasons known to Him. That does not necessarily mean that there was something wrong with motivation behind these prayers.
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The truth is that we all need personal relationships for our maximum emotional health and even productivity.  In "the old days" (pre-V2) priests often medicated their loneliness with alcohol.  Alcoholism used to be one of the primary temptations in the priesthood, and that included to priests who lived in a fully-staffed rectory with several brother priests.

Definitely still a temptation in these times for priests, sadly. 
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In the end yes, and to a fashion.  But whaf coukd have taken 5 mins took 80
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why does the pope speak of loneliness in priests? I would think priests would be the least lonely of all people. they not only have lots of people who like them, look up to them, etc.. but they can be in the Real Presence of Christ virtually any time they want.

Admiration from others is not a substitute for personal relationships with people.  I'm sure it takes some skill and experience to be able to navigate the delicate balance between the universal charity required of them and made accessible as a grace to them, through celibacy and a formed spirituality, and the particular, mutual exchange of natural affection which comforts human beings and sustains us through the obligations of our states in life.  Priests who are not lonely have achieved that balance, but I'm sure it's not instant, and surely it takes effort.  Priests who have not made time for their personal relationships are indeed lonely.  Why wouldn't they be?

Even single lay people who have many developed personal relationships can be lonely for the intimacy of their own marriages and children.  Good and loving priests do regard their flocks as their immediate families, in a sense, but they do not fool themselves that their professional relationships substitute for personal relationships, such as with their birth families -- if continents away -- and close friendships with men and women, lay and Religious.  The truth is that we all need personal relationships for our maximum emotional health and even productivity.  In "the old days" (pre-V2) priests often medicated their loneliness with alcohol.  Alcoholism used to be one of the primary temptations in the priesthood, and that included to priests who lived in a fully-staffed rectory with several brother priests.

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Sorry, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. I hardly ever get to spend time in the Real Presence.. and I have no spouse or family and no close friends

But you have the option of more time, even if little time, to develop those friendships because you do not have the level of responsibility a priest has.  Diocesan priests are particularly saddled with work because the diocese gives them so much bureaucratic nonsense to do.  So theoretically, priests within a trad apostolate "should" have less to do, but the truth is that the more successful they are in spreading Tradition, the more in demand they are individually to diocesan priests in the vicinity who want to convert to Tradition.
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The Coffee Pot / Re: World Cup 2018
« Last post by SamVanHouten on Today at 03:20:55 PM »
Many congratulations to France for winning the World Cup.

Thank you for the masonic revolution (and what has ensued) and killing all those Catholics, France!  Here's the World Cup, in commemoration of Bastille Day.

And the squad from the venerable old French town of Seulement-Vois-Je-Les-Musulmans, in the province of Senegal du Nord seems to have won this Cup. `

Joyeux quatorze juillet if you voted for Macron, this is what you get.
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The Coffee Pot / Re: Melania's Dress !!!
« Last post by Greg on Today at 03:05:34 PM »
They probably double up since the cost of moving them is high.
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I reckon there will a war out here with China versus other asian nations.  Their is a massive land grab going on at the moment. The Japanese are everywhere in Saigon, buying up properties buildings. They have whole districts that are Japanese and other districts that are cclearly Chinese Chinese money
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