4th or 5th week after Easter?

[Kathleen_Marie]

Is it the 4th week after Easter in TLM and 1662/1918 Anglican, and the 5th week after Easter in NO? I have been so confused all week. I don't remember noticing a problem before this week, but I was not jumping back and forth as much between resources.

My Logos/Verbum software is very very confused.

[Kathleen_Marie]

I am googling calendars. Here is a general Roman Calendar. It says 5th week.
https://gcatholic.org/calendar/2025/General-F-en

Here is the Traditional Calendar. It says 4th week.
https://latinmasshelper.com/readings/

The Anglican calendars switch back and forth too. The ACNA 2019 says 5th and the 1662 says 4th.
https://liturgical-calendar.com/en-emodeng/ACNA/2025-05
https://liturgical-calendar.com/en-emodeng/England1662/2025-05

How did we start counting a different number of weeks after Easter in the 1960s? I'm so confused. I guess that was when the New Math was first implemented? LOL.

[KreKre]

Traditional Mass is typically said from the 1962 Missal, and therefore, it follows the calendar from that Missal (which was promulgated in 1960). Many traditionalist groups use even earlier Missals, with its own differences in the calendar.

However, the differences in the old Missals are very minor. The NO follows the modern calendar, which is very different. Many feasts fall on different dates, the most notable being the feast of Christ the King, which is traditionally the last Sunday of October, but in the NO it falls on the last Sunday of the liturgical year. This is just one example, there countless more.

Regularly going to both the traditional Mass and the NO does not make much sense, and it will be very confusing, the different calendar being the least of the problems.

A good utility for navigating the liturgical calendar is https://www.divinumofficium.com/

There you can find the daily text of the Mass, as well as the Divine Office.

[Kathleen_Marie]

@KreKre thank your for the link! I had that one and then lost it.

I think I have this figured out. It was driving me nuts. I think NO is saying it is the 5th week OF Easter, and the Traditional is saying it is the 4th week AFTER Easter. I did not notice the change in preposition. In ordinary time, NO counts after Pentecost and older traditions count after Trinity, and that is more obvious.

For right now, I have no access to a TLM church and my mom needs to be accompanied to her local Mass. She is unable to transition easily and too fragile to  travel. The world is so crazy, if I don't like something, I should just wait, because whatever it is, it is likely to change as quickly as the weather, bringing a whole new set of challenges.

I remember hearing that new recruits in the Revolutionary War were told not to shoot until they could see the white's of the enemies' eyes. I feel like I am to just sit tight and wait, and be ready, but not make any big moves yet.

For weeks, I was frozen in indecision of which traditional missal to purchase. Yesterday, I ordered the New Marian Missal. It arrives today. It will be months before I can replace it, so for better or for worse, that is the one I will be using for awhile at home, and then taking care of my mom as best as I can.

[aquinas138]

In ordinary time, NO counts after Pentecost and older traditions count after Trinity, and that is more obvious.

Minor correction: The NO actually doesn't count with reference to Pentecost at all - it just numbers the Sundays "of Ordinary Time" (in Latin per annum "through the year"). The traditional Roman method is to count Sundays after Epiphany and Sundays after Pentecost; some other Western local uses (such as Sarum and thus eventually the Anglicans) and religious orders (such as the Dominicans) count after Epiphany and after Trinity.

[dolores]

@KreKre

I think I have this figured out. It was driving me nuts. I think NO is saying it is the 5th week OF Easter, and the Traditional is saying it is the 4th week AFTER Easter. I did not notice the change in preposition.

This is the correct answer.  I'm not sure why this change was made, but it was.  So, using the example of Low Sunday, it would be the First Sunday After Easter traditionally, but the Second Sunday Of Easter in the NO.