Would this be ok?

[crossingtherubicon]

Okay you want to fake it till you make it.  Step 1 stop denying the holiness of the Catholic Eucharist, like the Pharisees denied the holiness of Jesus' public mission.  And the egg that Jesus was formed from was created at the time of Mary's conception, so stop denying the Immaculate Conception.

Again, don't follow. I agree with you that disparaging Roman Catholics as azymists is ridiculous. "The egg that Jesus was formed from was created at the time of Mary's conception"? That's curious speculative theology. We don't believe in the doctrine of original sin, so your point is moot. You will never find an Orthodox disparage or deny any due honor to the Mother of God.

A female is born with all their eggs they will ever have.  So its more of a scientific thing than theological. 

Lets not get into all the weeds of specifics about this doctrine and doctrine.  The Orthodox believe the Holy Spirit will lead us to all Truth, except since the Great Schism he has stopped teaching theological tuths, as no advances in that field happened after the Great Schism for some reason, but Catholics and Orthodox both believe it will be an eternal process to discover all the truths about God, and his designed system of life.

The only difference, by abandoning the teachings of the Bishop of Rome after the Great Schism, the Orthodox have no longer partaken in the process of learning and discovering theological truth after the Great Schism.

Will the Orthodox admit that the discovery of truth of the Catholic Church since the Great Schism is a work of the Holy Spirit?

We believe that "discovery of truth" is a buzzword for gnosticism.

Gnosticism is hidden knowledge, the Catholic Church doesnt hide its knowledge.
Make it well known that by you denying that the announcement of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, the contraception ban, and so many other clear public announcements from the Catholic Church are from the Holy Ghost, you instead insinuate they are from the Devil by default.  And the discipline and process and way the Orthodox follow in my opinion are from the Holy Spirit. 

[St. Drogo]

Okay you want to fake it till you make it.  Step 1 stop denying the holiness of the Catholic Eucharist, like the Pharisees denied the holiness of Jesus' public mission.  And the egg that Jesus was formed from was created at the time of Mary's conception, so stop denying the Immaculate Conception.

Again, don't follow. I agree with you that disparaging Roman Catholics as azymists is ridiculous. "The egg that Jesus was formed from was created at the time of Mary's conception"? That's curious speculative theology. We don't believe in the doctrine of original sin, so your point is moot. You will never find an Orthodox disparage or deny any due honor to the Mother of God.

A female is born with all their eggs they will ever have.  So its more of a scientific thing than theological. 

Lets not get into all the weeds of specifics about this doctrine and doctrine.  The Orthodox believe the Holy Spirit will lead us to all Truth, except since the Great Schism he has stopped teaching theological tuths, as no advances in that field happened after the Great Schism for some reason, but Catholics and Orthodox both believe it will be an eternal process to discover all the truths about God, and his designed system of life.

The only difference, by abandoning the teachings of the Bishop of Rome after the Great Schism, the Orthodox have no longer partaken in the process of learning and discovering theological truth after the Great Schism.

Will the Orthodox admit that the discovery of truth of the Catholic Church since the Great Schism is a work of the Holy Spirit?

We believe that "discovery of truth" is a buzzword for gnosticism.

Gnosticism is hidden knowledge, the Catholic Church doesnt hide its knowledge.
Make it well known that by you denying that the announcement of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, the contraception ban, and so many other clear public announcements from the Catholic Church are from the Holy Ghost, you instead insinuate they are from the Devil by default.  And the discipline and process and way the Orthodox follow in my opinion are from the Holy Spirit. 

Naturally.

[St. Drogo]

Funnily enough, I have had the privilege (?) of kissing the hand of both Francis and Bartholomew. Bartholomew didn't withdraw his hand.

EDIT: I'm in Georgia, though. My loyalty is to his All Holiness Patriarch Ilia.

[Michael Wilson]

Here is the article in the Wiki on the split between the R.O.C. And the Patriarchate of Constantinople:

2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism
A schism between the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC, also known as the Moscow Patriarchate) and the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople began on 15 October 2018 when the former unilaterally severed full communion with the latter.[1][2][3][4]

The resolution was taken in response to a decision of the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople of 11 October 2018, confirming its intentions to grant autocephaly to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine in the future. The decision also stated that the Holy Synod would immediately: reestablish a stauropegion in Kyiv, i.e. a church body subordinated directly to the ecumenical patriarch; revoke the "Letter of issue" (permission) of 1686[c] that had given permission to the patriarch of Moscow to ordain the metropolitan of Kiev;[note 1] and lift the excommunications which affected the clergy and faithfuls of two unrecognized Ukrainian Eastern Orthodox churches. Those two unrecognized churches, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC) and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP), were competing with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) (UOC-MP) and were considered "schismatics" (illegally segregated groups) by the Patriarchate of Moscow, as well as by the other Eastern Orthodox churches.

In its decision of 15 October 2018, the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church barred all members of the Moscow Patriarchate (both clergy and laity) from taking part in communion, baptism, and marriage at any church controlled by the Ecumenical Patriarchate.[2][3] Before that, in response to the appointment of two exarchs of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Ukraine, the Holy Synod of the Moscow Patriarchate had decided, on 14 September 2018, to break off participation in any episcopal assemblies, theological discussions, multilateral commissions, and any other structures that are chaired or co-chaired by representatives of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.[5][6][7]

The schism forms part of a wider political conflict involving Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea and its military intervention in Ukraine, as well as Ukraine's subsequent desire to join the European Union and NATO.[8][9] This schism is reminiscent of the Moscow–Constantinople schism of 1996 over canonical jurisdiction over Estonia, which was however resolved after less than three months.[10]

On 21 October 2019, Archbishop Ieronymos II of Athens, the primate of the Church of Greece, sent a peaceful letter to Epiphanius, the primate of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU, that was formed by the unification of the UOC-KP, UAOC, and parts of the UOC-MP on 15 December 2018). This decision was supported by the whole hierarchy (bishops) of the Church of Greece, minus seven metropolitans. This decision meant that the Church of Greece recognized the OCU. The ROC had announced previously it would break communion with any hierarch of the Church of Greece who enters in communion with any hierarch of the OCU. On Sunday, 3 November 2019, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow did not mention the primate of the Church of Greece in the liturgy, removing him from the diptych. On 26 December, the ROC broke eucharistic communion with the Greek Orthodox patriarch of Alexandria, Theodore II, and ceased commemorating him, because he had recognized the OCU the month before. On 20 November 2020, the Holy Synod of the ROC declared that Patriarch Kirill can no longer commemorate Archbishop Chrysostomos II of Cyprus as a result of Chrysostomos' commemoration of Epiphanius on 24 October 2020.

On 22 November 2022, the Patriarch of Alexandria Theodore II stopped the commemoration of Patriarch Kirill of Moscow.[11][12][13]

Outcome:

Outcome   

    The severing of full communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate by the Russian Orthodox Church (and ROCOR).
    Creation of the autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine by the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
    Creation of the PEWE and the PESEA by the Russian Orthodox Church.
    Recognition of the OCU's autocephaly by the Church of Greece, the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria, and the Church of Cyprus.
    Severing of communion with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, Archbishop Ieronymos II of Athens, Patriarch Theodore II of Alexandria, and Archbishop Chrysostomos II of Cyprus by the Russian Orthodox Church.
    The UOC-MP cut ties with the Russian Orthodox Church over handling, perceived betrayal, and consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. A similar outcome happens with the LOC several months later.

As to the meaning of "excommunication" in Orthodoxy vs. Catholicism, here is the definition from the Orthodoxwiki
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Excommunication

Excommunication is the exclusion of an Orthodox Christian from the Eucharist, that is from Communion. It is a form of church discipline. The act of excommunication is considered a transient action concerning a member who has done something that separates him from the church community as attempts are made of restoring the member to full communion.

The word excommunication is from the Latin, ex meaning out of, and communio or communicatio meaning communion, thus 'exclusion from the communion'.

For serious acts, such as unrepentant heresy, the church pronounces an anathema as a means of expulsion that leaves the person outside of the Church and to his own devices.

So there is an excommunication issued by the R.O.C. Against the Patiarchy of Constantinople,Severing of communion with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, Archbishop Ieronymos II of Athens, Patriarch Theodore II of Alexandria, and Archbishop Chrysostomos II of Cyprus.
There was already a schism between the R.O.C. And the two Ukranian Orthodox Churches[the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC) and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP)]; these two churches are now in communion with the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and recognized as "autocephalus" and not under the Moscow Patriarh.
Further, contrary to what you implied i.e. That the "excommunication" in fact did not bar members of different groups from receiving communion in the other's Church, the Moscow declaration makes it clear that this is indeed the case: 
In its decision of 15 October 2018, the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church barred all members of the Moscow Patriarchate (both clergy and laity) from taking part in communion, baptism, and marriage at any church controlled by the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
I would imagine that this would go both ways as otherwise the decree would be meaningless.
So we see that each of the groups in Orthodoxy are independent and as they themselves say: "autocephalus";

[Michael Wilson]

Autocephalus from the wiki article:

Autocephaly (/ɔːtəˈsɛfəli/; from Greek: αὐτοκεφαλία, meaning "property of being self-headed") is the status of a hierarchical Christian church whose head bishop does not report to any higher-ranking bishop. The term is primarily used in Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches. The status has been compared with that of the churches (provinces) within the Anglican Communion.[1]

In other words each Church is its own independent entity with its own head.
But whom in Ortodoxy has the right to grant "autocephaly" the article states that this is a disputed question.

Autocephaly in Eastern Orthodoxy
See also: Eastern Orthodox Church organization

In Eastern Orthodoxy, the right to grant autocephaly is nowadays a contested issue, the main opponents in the dispute being the Ecumenical Patriarchate, which claims this right as its prerogative,[4][5] and the Russian Orthodox Church (the Moscow Patriarchate), which insists that one autocephalous jurisdiction has the right to grant independence to one of its components.[6][7] Thus, the Orthodox Church in America was granted autocephaly in 1970 by the Moscow Patriarchate, but this new status was not recognized by most patriarchates.[8] In the modern era, the issue of autocephaly has been closely linked to the issue of self-determination and political independence of a nation; self-proclamation of autocephaly was normally followed by a long period of non-recognition and schism with the mother church.

In a word nobody is "in charge".

[Michael Wilson]

Here is a statement from the ROCOR supporting the Moscow Patriarch's actions and calling the Ecumenical Patriarch "scismatic" and having severed himself from the Church, for his actions and also prohibits the faithful of the ROCOR from participating in the sacraments of those churches under the Ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople.

New York: October 18, 2018
Statement of the Holy Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia

The Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia communicates to the plenitude of her clergy and faithful, and to her fellow Orthodox Christians throughout the world, her profound sorrow at the uncanonical undertakings perpetrated by the Church of Constantinople over the past days; in particular with regard to its Message of 11th October 2018. Simultaneously we express our complete support of the position taken by the Holy Synod of the Patriarchate of Moscow, following its meeting of 15th October 2018 and announced in its statement of the same date.

The illicit actions of the Church of Constantinople are able to suffer no canonical defence and constitute a grave and dangerous injustice against the traditions of Orthodoxy, as well as a shocking disregard for the spiritual welfare of the sheep of Christ (cf. John 10.3, 11). Having expressed its intention to establish stravropegia of its Church in the Ukraine, Constantinople thus solidifies its intrusion into another Local Church's canonical territory, an anti-canonical violation of the highest order which the Synod of Constantinople has no power or right to undertake. We make explicit that under no circumstances will we consider such institutions to have any legal substance, nor will we acknowledge any legitimacy whatsoever to those who, deeming themselves shepherds, submit to these non-Church establishments.

Yet more grave is the decision of the Church of Constantinople to 'restore' to canonical status various schismatic individuals that have, on account of severe canonical violations, been deposed from their rank by the Bishops Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, with the assent of the other Local Orthodox Churches. Proceeding from a false assertion that the ancient prerogative of receiving appeals for pan-Orthodox mediation equates to an autonomous and unilateral power held by the See of Constantinople, that See now arrogates non-existent powers to itself in the attempt to justify its interference in the canonical contexts of other Local Churches. The reality, however, is that the Church of Constantinople possesses no such canonical authority and, in exercising this lawless abrogation of authentic primacy, distorts the true nature of the concept of being "First among equals," directly opposing canonical Orthodoxy.

For the sake of the clear understanding of the present situation amongst the faithful, we hereby make explicit that the just anathematisation by the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church of schismatics that persist in their errors, cannot be and has not been overturned by the unilateral action of the Church of Constantinople. In the eyes of God, and in accordance with the Holy Canons and the teachings of the Orthodox Church, these individuals remain under their just condemnation, and are considered in schism; that is, fallen away from Holy Orthodoxy. Moreover, we remind the faithful of the Holy Canons which clearly express the principle that those who intercommune with the justly deposed, themselves enter into schism from the Orthodox Church (cf. Antioch, 2). Therefore any who, following the lawless decision of the Church of Constantinople, enter into communion with these schismatic individuals, do thereby depart from Orthodox canonical unity into schism, and the mortal peril it represents to the soul.

The Orthodox Church of the Ukraine, under the Archpastoral care of His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry and his martyric co-Archpastors, remains today, as it has since the Act of 1686, the sole canonical body within that blessed land. The present decision of the Church of Constantinople to 'revoke' the Synodal Letter of that year is simply meritless, and according to the Orthodox canonical tradition is by nature an impossibility. Despite the statement made by the Holy Synod of the Church of Constantinople on 11th October of this year, the faithful may rest fully assured that the Act of 1686 remains valid and binding, and that the canonical authority of the Church of Ukraine and of the Patriarchate of Moscow remain unaffected by this groundless presumption of power by the Phanar.

In light of these most grievous affronts to the very nature of canonical Orthodoxy, the Holy Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia has no option except, with profound sorrow and yet with full conviction, publicly to register her assent with the decision of the Holy Synod of the Patriarchate of Moscow, which recognises that continuing Eucharistic communion with the Church of Constantinople is impossible, at any level, until this ancient and once-glorious sister Church repents from its introduction of false and alien teachings about primacy and universal authority, contrary to the ancient Orthodox Faith, and ceases from its lawless actions.

We thereby inform our clergy and faithful that Eucharistic intercommunion with the Church of Constantinople is presently impossible, for Hierarchy, Clergy and Laity. So long as this situation remains, it is not possible for clergy of our Church to celebrate in any parish of the Church of Constantinople, or for clerics of that Church to celebrate in ours; nor is it possible for laypersons to partake of the Holy Mysteries performed in the temples of the Patriarchate of Constantinople. We further reiterate that the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia will not participate in theological inter-church meetings, or other dialogues, including the regional Assemblies of Bishops, which are chaired or co-chaired by clerics or hierarchy of the Church of Constantinople.

We call upon all the faithful to redouble their prayers for the peace of the Church, currently being so tryingly put to the test by the lawless actions of a novel ecclesiology and false teaching — and not to lose heart or grow faint, trusting that the Lord's Wisdom conquers all falsehood, if only we hold fast to what is true and sacred. We implore the Primates of the Local Orthodox Churches to reflect upon the current circumstances, in due course coming together to reach an authentic, canonical resolution to these urgent matters.

We firmly believe and hope that our Lord Jesus Christ, Who does not abandon His children and Who overcomes all human pride with the limitless love of Divine Truth, will strengthen His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry and the Hierarchy, Clergy and Faithful of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, and all Orthodox faithful of all tongues and lands.

[St. Drogo]

You haven't contradicted me. I know very little about ROCOR, but I do know I wouldn't and haven't ever been excluded from approaching the chalice at a church under the Moscow patriarchate, and no diocese under Constantinople would refuse a lay Orthodox under the Moscow patriarchate from approaching the chalice. Nor has Moscow extended the excommunication to the laity. I have already intimated my misgivings about Patriarch Bartholomew, precisely because he acts like he's some kind of super-bishop—which smacks of schism (akin to the bishop of Rome). It remains the case that the majority of autocephalous churches remain in communion with both Moscow and Constantinople, which is precisely why any restrictions on intercommunion for the lay faithful would be bizarre (e.g., it makes no sense that someone belonging to the Georgian Orthodox Church like myself can freely approach the chalice at either a church under Constantinople or Moscow, but a fellow Orthodox lay person from a church under Constantinople cannot. Hell, even the OCA, which received its tomos from Moscow, is still in communion with both Moscow and Constantinople. (Admittedly, Constantinople doesn't recognize the OCA's autocephaly, but that's neither here nor there.)

[St. Drogo]

Michael Wilson, I'm waiting for your next Google session where you desperately attempt to prove things you know nothing about.

[crossingtherubicon]

A lot of Orthodox converts in the USA come from Proddies I hear, and we darn well know anti catholicism is a feature of many of those groups, not all though. 

Frankly unification is impossible currently, Orthodox speak with 100s? of voices and the Pope seemed to forget about repentance, or in other words, the Church appears in shambles.  On the ground though I am not seeing that.  Honestly I know this relative who is dating an Orthodox gal, but she went proddy, took some work but the Catholic relative is getting her back to Orthodox liturgy, seems pretty open to Catholic Church, just to get these folks out of proddy is one hell of an accomplishment for Christ, what a disaster going on there.

[Michael Wilson]

This is a discussion on the "Catholic Truth" (Bryan) channel with Michael Lofton on why he left Orthodoxy and returned to Catholicism and apart from the theological differences that separate them from Catholicism, ultimately it comes down to the principle of authority; in Orthodoxy there is no final authority to which to settle the doctrinal and disciplinary disputes intra Orthodoxy. Both these gents are Novus Ordo, so this isn't an systematic take on the problems of the Orthodox for that one could reference the videos from MHFM.

[crossingtherubicon]

This is a discussion on the "Catholic Truth" (Bryan) channel with Michael Lofton on why he left Orthodoxy and returned to Catholicism and apart from the theological differences that separate them from Catholicism, ultimately it comes down to the principle of authority; in Orthodoxy there is no final authority to which to settle the doctrinal and disciplinary disputes intra Orthodoxy. Both these gents are Novus Ordo, so this isn't an systematic take on the problems of the Orthodox for that one could reference the videos from MHFM.

Yeah I listened to that.  Anyone interested in more I found Erick Ybarra on the youtube, seems very knowledgeable of the schism subject.

[St. Drogo]

Ubi Petrus similarly offers a lot of well-informed grist for the mind mill on this subject.

[Bonaventure]

We don't believe in the doctrine of original sin, so your point is moot

My dear friend, it pained me to hear that from you.

Hope all is well.

[Bonaventure]

Funnily enough, I have had the privilege (?) of kissing the hand of both Francis and Bartholomew. Bartholomew didn't withdraw his hand.

EDIT: I'm in Georgia, though. My loyalty is to his All Holiness Patriarch Ilia.

You'll have to share more of the Bergoglio story!