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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit...
Last post by drummerboy - Today at 06:18:09 PMWow! I never heard the rumor he had a son. But as I've said elsewhere on this forum: you do NOT associate yourself with so many creeps and perverts without being one yourself. Normal people just don't do that, and gives immense weight to the allegations.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Why didn't Bergoglio visit...
Last post by Geremia - Today at 04:08:17 PMA positive, charitable explanation could be that the Jews and Masons disowned him. He was lighting menorahs with them before his election. Argentina has a high per capita rate of Masonic lodges and Jewish population. Bergoglio spoke out against the Masonic infiltration as early as 2013.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: A Vatican in Chaos
Last post by Santantonio - Today at 01:55:28 PMI have not watched yet.
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General News and Discussion / Re: Russia Invades Ukraine
Last post by james03 - Today at 01:23:44 PMUkraine rejects latest US peace proposal.
Vance coming out strong again saying the US will "walk away".
Best of bad business. when Ukraine falls, the jew media will blame it all on Trump. However he hasn't really cut them off. There will be a period between now and when Ukraine needs the next $100 Billion where Russia needs to conquer a lot of territory. I think Trump and Putin are in agreement on that. After that, and when the money runs out, Trump will be in a good position to point out it is senseless to give Ukraine more money and tell them to take a deal or get wiped out.
Vance coming out strong again saying the US will "walk away".
Best of bad business. when Ukraine falls, the jew media will blame it all on Trump. However he hasn't really cut them off. There will be a period between now and when Ukraine needs the next $100 Billion where Russia needs to conquer a lot of territory. I think Trump and Putin are in agreement on that. After that, and when the money runs out, Trump will be in a good position to point out it is senseless to give Ukraine more money and tell them to take a deal or get wiped out.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Trump's statement: This Ho...
Last post by clau clau - Today at 12:17:05 PMQuote from: TradGranny on Today at 12:02:20 PMQuote from: clau clau on April 14, 2025, 05:16:39 AMMany will honour Jesus on Psalm Sunday but who will still be there on Good Friday?
Did you miss this part?
During this sacred week, we acknowledge that the glory of Easter Sunday cannot come without the sacrifice Jesus Christ made on the cross. In His final hours on Earth, Christ willingly endured excruciating pain, torture, and execution on the cross out of a deep and abiding love for all His creation. Through His suffering, we have redemption. Through His death, we are forgiven of our sins. Through His Resurrection, we have hope of eternal life.
I am not sure Melania is on board.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/02/melania-trump-memoir-defends-abortion-rights
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Trump's statement: This Ho...
Last post by TradGranny - Today at 12:02:20 PMQuote from: clau clau on April 14, 2025, 05:16:39 AMMany will honour Jesus on Psalm Sunday but who will still be there on Good Friday?
Did you miss this part?
During this sacred week, we acknowledge that the glory of Easter Sunday cannot come without the sacrifice Jesus Christ made on the cross. In His final hours on Earth, Christ willingly endured excruciating pain, torture, and execution on the cross out of a deep and abiding love for all His creation. Through His suffering, we have redemption. Through His death, we are forgiven of our sins. Through His Resurrection, we have hope of eternal life.
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General Catholic Discussion / Why didn't Bergoglio visit Arg...
Last post by Geremia - Today at 11:52:53 AMWhy didn't Bergoglio visit Argentina as pope?
++Viganò has one explanation (Lapides clamabunt – Statement on the Church and the Papacy – February 23, 2025):
++Viganò has one explanation (Lapides clamabunt – Statement on the Church and the Papacy – February 23, 2025):
QuoteAfter years of lies, dissimulations, and silence, it is necessary to acknowledge Jorge Mario Bergoglio's fraud and put him on trial, restoring that truth and justice demanded by the victims of his reprisals, his intimidating acts, and his connivance in the crimes of his instigators and his protégés. Investigations are needed into his past life, into the crimes he committed in Argentina (which is why he never returned as "pope" to his native country) and into the murky events that allege Jorge Mario Bergoglio was personally responsible for the sexual abuse of young Jesuits when he was Novice Master in Argentina. It must be clarified whether Tomas Ricardo Arizaga (known as Tomasito), who died on 20 July 2014 at the age of 11, and who was then cremated and buried in 2019 in the Teutonic Cemetery in the Vatican after having had his teeth removed, is really Bergoglio's son, as has been rumored for too long and as multiple elements lead us to believe.
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The Coffee Pot / Re: Catholic Memes
Last post by james03 - Today at 08:27:05 AMOld American advertisement. The lack of "diversity" is shocking to a modern, even though it is completely normal to show Americans in an American advertisement. Today you would HAVE to have an African and a purple haired trans. Cultural Marxism.
#9
General Catholic Discussion / A Vatican in Chaos
Last post by Miriam_M - Today at 07:47:37 AMThe Vatican is now in Utter Chaos, As It Was Foreseeable
by The Wanderer
Argentina
April 23, 2025
Shortly after the death of Pope Francis, the Vatican was a hornet's nest, in every sense of the expression. In other words, it was and is chaos. It could not be otherwise when those who are at the head of the most delicate mechanisms of the Church are useless people placed there at the whim of the tyrant.
The first major problem faced is the location. Bergoglio's decision not to reside in the Apostolic Palace, because he was very humble as we all know, and to settle down in the Domus Sanctae Marthae, generated a difficult atmosphere: gossip, comings and goings of journalists, powerful people with briefcases full of money, etc. More out of necessity than taste, Francis modified the original structure of the Domus, planned by John Paul II as a residence for the cardinal electors during the conclave and hotel or lodging for prelates during the rest of the time. As the reigning Pope lived there, entire floors were reserved exclusively for him, with important structural adaptations and the fixed permanence of collaborators and prelates close to him.
And when he died there, the situation became even more complicated. For example, it was necessary to wait for the transfer of the body to St. Peter's Basilica in order to prepare the Domus for the cardinal electors. While the body was there, the entire house was armored, and the rooms reserved for it must remain sealed until the election of the new pontiff.
The Constitution Praedicate evangelium [on the Reform of the Roman Curia], signed by Francis, is proving problematic. It is up to Cardinal Pietro Parolin and the Cardinal President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State to address the question of alternative accommodations for the cardinals, since not all of them will be able to reside in the Domus due to lack of vacancies, precisely because of the reorganization carried out by Pope Francis over the years and the number of cardinals, which is greater than that foreseen by John Paul II. But in the Governorate there is no cardinal, but "Marshal" Raffaella Petrini, a Franciscan nun chosen by the Pope to occupy this position, contrary to the laws in force in the Vatican City State.
My friends who wander around the Sacred Palaces insist that everything is chaos, and some - the most wicked ones - laugh with pleasure. There are many widowers desperate because they know that their sinecures are over. The fact is that the pontificate of Pope Francis, strongly centralized and marked by drastic decisions, has created a polarized internal system and things will be hard.
Those who will surely return to Buenos Aires will be his private secretaries. And the rest of the Argentines accommodated in the Vatican's nooks and crannies are terrified. One of them is Gustavo Zanchetta, who had asked the justice of Salta for an extension until May to remain in Rome and not return to prison. He ran out of leaves of absence. And another one is Tucho Fernández. He knows, as everybody knows, that he will be the first one ejected from the curia, whether a conservative or a progressive is elected. Some curials have raised bets, and playing some in some good Roman trattoria, on how long he will remain in the palace of the Holy Office after Bergoglio's successor is proclaimed.
Emilce Cuda, the feminist theologian who was taken to the Vatican from the Devoto seminary [the Archdiocesan Seminary of Buenos Aires], is already looking for some classes to give in the institutes higher learning of the Buenos Aires metropolitan area, and the Argentine bishops do not feel comfortable. There are many who fear that what happened to their Chilean colleagues will happen to them: collective resignation.
When the Church is in a vacant see, the offices must be very straightforward and clear. And so they always were. But Bergoglio had a heavy hand and, besides reforming the Curia, he also reformed the funerals. Fortunately, he did not have time to reform the conclave. Consequently, by changing without legislating, chaos ensues, which increases when those in charge are useless.
To make matters worse, the conclave, as everyone knows, will not be short, and that increases concerns, especially knowing that the Church will be under the charge of Giovanni Battista Re, whose record in 2013 is not the best. Everyone knows, however, that the serious problem is the master of ceremonies, Abp. Diego Ravelli. Smug, but with an amazing ability to sow chaos, as seen in recent years while he was in charge of the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff. The internal organization of the conclave is ultimately in the hands of the masters of ceremony. It will be dramatic chaos, they lament. Some have suggested that Ravelli step aside and that Bishop Guido Marini take over.
The improvisation and exceptionality of recent years are now taking their toll. The conclave that is looming on the horizon will be one of the most complex in history. Not only because of the logistical difficulties, but above all because of the spiritual and institutional legacy that Pope Francis leaves behind: a Vatican and a Church that is fractured, disoriented, and forced to face its deepest contradictions.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2025/04/the-vatican-is-now-in-utter-chaos-as-it.html#more
by The Wanderer
Argentina
April 23, 2025
Shortly after the death of Pope Francis, the Vatican was a hornet's nest, in every sense of the expression. In other words, it was and is chaos. It could not be otherwise when those who are at the head of the most delicate mechanisms of the Church are useless people placed there at the whim of the tyrant.
The first major problem faced is the location. Bergoglio's decision not to reside in the Apostolic Palace, because he was very humble as we all know, and to settle down in the Domus Sanctae Marthae, generated a difficult atmosphere: gossip, comings and goings of journalists, powerful people with briefcases full of money, etc. More out of necessity than taste, Francis modified the original structure of the Domus, planned by John Paul II as a residence for the cardinal electors during the conclave and hotel or lodging for prelates during the rest of the time. As the reigning Pope lived there, entire floors were reserved exclusively for him, with important structural adaptations and the fixed permanence of collaborators and prelates close to him.
And when he died there, the situation became even more complicated. For example, it was necessary to wait for the transfer of the body to St. Peter's Basilica in order to prepare the Domus for the cardinal electors. While the body was there, the entire house was armored, and the rooms reserved for it must remain sealed until the election of the new pontiff.
The Constitution Praedicate evangelium [on the Reform of the Roman Curia], signed by Francis, is proving problematic. It is up to Cardinal Pietro Parolin and the Cardinal President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State to address the question of alternative accommodations for the cardinals, since not all of them will be able to reside in the Domus due to lack of vacancies, precisely because of the reorganization carried out by Pope Francis over the years and the number of cardinals, which is greater than that foreseen by John Paul II. But in the Governorate there is no cardinal, but "Marshal" Raffaella Petrini, a Franciscan nun chosen by the Pope to occupy this position, contrary to the laws in force in the Vatican City State.
My friends who wander around the Sacred Palaces insist that everything is chaos, and some - the most wicked ones - laugh with pleasure. There are many widowers desperate because they know that their sinecures are over. The fact is that the pontificate of Pope Francis, strongly centralized and marked by drastic decisions, has created a polarized internal system and things will be hard.
Those who will surely return to Buenos Aires will be his private secretaries. And the rest of the Argentines accommodated in the Vatican's nooks and crannies are terrified. One of them is Gustavo Zanchetta, who had asked the justice of Salta for an extension until May to remain in Rome and not return to prison. He ran out of leaves of absence. And another one is Tucho Fernández. He knows, as everybody knows, that he will be the first one ejected from the curia, whether a conservative or a progressive is elected. Some curials have raised bets, and playing some in some good Roman trattoria, on how long he will remain in the palace of the Holy Office after Bergoglio's successor is proclaimed.
Emilce Cuda, the feminist theologian who was taken to the Vatican from the Devoto seminary [the Archdiocesan Seminary of Buenos Aires], is already looking for some classes to give in the institutes higher learning of the Buenos Aires metropolitan area, and the Argentine bishops do not feel comfortable. There are many who fear that what happened to their Chilean colleagues will happen to them: collective resignation.
When the Church is in a vacant see, the offices must be very straightforward and clear. And so they always were. But Bergoglio had a heavy hand and, besides reforming the Curia, he also reformed the funerals. Fortunately, he did not have time to reform the conclave. Consequently, by changing without legislating, chaos ensues, which increases when those in charge are useless.
To make matters worse, the conclave, as everyone knows, will not be short, and that increases concerns, especially knowing that the Church will be under the charge of Giovanni Battista Re, whose record in 2013 is not the best. Everyone knows, however, that the serious problem is the master of ceremonies, Abp. Diego Ravelli. Smug, but with an amazing ability to sow chaos, as seen in recent years while he was in charge of the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff. The internal organization of the conclave is ultimately in the hands of the masters of ceremony. It will be dramatic chaos, they lament. Some have suggested that Ravelli step aside and that Bishop Guido Marini take over.
The improvisation and exceptionality of recent years are now taking their toll. The conclave that is looming on the horizon will be one of the most complex in history. Not only because of the logistical difficulties, but above all because of the spiritual and institutional legacy that Pope Francis leaves behind: a Vatican and a Church that is fractured, disoriented, and forced to face its deepest contradictions.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2025/04/the-vatican-is-now-in-utter-chaos-as-it.html#more
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Pope Francis has passed on...
Last post by Miriam_M - Today at 06:33:39 AMQuote from: drummerboy on Today at 05:27:58 AMQuote from: Miriam_M on April 22, 2025, 07:09:30 PMQuote from: drummerboy on April 22, 2025, 05:45:43 PMQuote from: Acolyte on April 22, 2025, 04:59:55 PMAre there photos of Francis after he died ?
( Not understanding the fingers and nose comments )
The extremities are the first to decompose
But bodies on view are normally chemically arrested while on display. This is what I'm confused about.
[/quotQuote from: Miriam_M on April 22, 2025, 07:09:30 PMQuote from: drummerboy on April 22, 2025, 05:45:43 PMQuote from: Acolyte on April 22, 2025, 04:59:55 PMAre there photos of Francis after he died ?
( Not understanding the fingers and nose comments )
The extremities are the first to decompose
But bodies on view are normally chemically arrested while on display. This is what I'm confused about.
That makes two of us then. Although I seem to vaguely recall Bergoglio not wanting any preservation
Oh. Maybe Red Solo Cup knows.