Australians who refuse Covid vaccine could be banned from travel, restaurants ..

Started by awkwardcustomer, August 19, 2020, 11:29:57 AM

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No jab, no plane! Anti-vaxxers who refuse to get a coronavirus jab could be banned from travelling overseas - as well as restaurants and public transport
Federal government has agreed to buy a potential coronavirus vaccine from UK. The vaccine, being developed at Oxford University, is expected late this year.  PM Scott Morrison today said he will make jab 'as mandatory as possible'.  The government will discuss ways to make sure vaccine take-up hits 95%.


By CHARLIE MOORE, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA

PUBLISHED: 07:09, 19 August 2020 | UPDATED: 09:45, 19 August 2020


Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Nick Coatsworth said in a press conference on Wednesday afternoon that measures to encourage vaccine take-up would be discussed by health officials and ministers.

He said: 'Looking at specific things like not being able to go into restaurants, not being able to travel internationally, not being able to catch public transport... these are clearly policy decisions that will be discussed.' 

He said the government could give people certificates to prove they have had the vaccine.

The government hopes a coronavirus vaccine will reach Australia by early next year and wants 95 per cent of people to get the jab.

Dr Coatsworth said he believes most people will do the right thing.

'I suspect the majority of Australians will get vaccinated and there will be a strong public view that for those who choose not to get vaccinated, there needs to be some sort of incentive, or stick perhaps, to make it happen,' he said.

One option would be to withhold government support from people who do not get the vaccine.

The government already does this under the 2015 'no jab, no pay' rule that stops parents getting some tax benefits, Child Care Benefit and Child Care Rebate payments if they refuse to vaccinate their child.

Scott Morrison said on Wednesday morning he will make a coronavirus vaccine 'as mandatory as possible'.

The government on Tuesday signed a deal to bring Oxford University's vaccine to Australia as soon as it is approved, which could be at the end of this year.

As the news broke, thousands of anti-vaxxers bombarded politicians with online abuse and said they would refuse to take it.

But in an interview on Melbourne radio station 3AW, Mr Morrison said he would make the jab compulsory.

'There are always exemptions for any vaccine on medical grounds but that should be the only basis,' he said.

'I mean we're talking about a pandemic that has destroyed the global economy and taken the lives of hundreds of thousands all around the world and over 450 Australians here.

'We need the most extensive and comprehensive response to this to get Australia back to normal,' he said.

Asked if he was prepared for a backlash from anti-vaxxers, the Prime Minister said: 'I'm used to that, I was the minister that established no jab, no pay.

'My view on this is pretty clear and not for turning. You have to do it for yourself, your family and for your fellow Australians.'

Children have been required to take vaccines to attend school since 1998, unless their parents are granted an exemption.

Under the no jab, no pay scheme, the government removed exemptions for conscientious objectors.

Some scientists feared that making vaccines compulsory could make people angry and reduce immunisation rates but rates slowly ticked up around the country from 2015.

Asked in a press conference today how he will make sure everyone takes the vaccine, the Prime Minister said: 'We'll take those issues as they present and consider what steps are necessary at that time.'

Some people are unable to take the vaccine for legitimate medical reasons. Everyone else must be vaccinated to protect them, he said.

Acting Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said the first step would be to encourage people to take the vaccine voluntarily.

The elderly and healthcare workers are likely to be prioritised as the vaccine is steadily rolled out, the Prime Minster said.

Infectious diseases expert Raina MacIntyre of UNSW said she doesn't agree with compulsory vaccination.

'It should not be compulsory. Depending on how effective the vaccine is, we would need 70 to 90 per cent of people vaccinated for herd immunity,' she told Daily Mail Australia.

On Tuesday night Science Minister Karen Andrews said she was 'attacked' by anti-vaxxers on Facebook and slammed them for spreading conspiracy theories.

'Last night, my social media pages were attacked by anti-vax protestors,' she wrote in a Facebook post.

'While I support freedom of choice, in my role as Science Minister I'm not prepared to allow these people to promote pseudoscience.'

Under the government's deal all 25 million Australians will be able to get injected for free just weeks after the Oxford vaccine is approved.

The vaccine, licensed by UK drug firm AstraZeneca, is in phase three trails on thousands of people in the UK, Brazil and South Africa.

Earlier trials found it generated a strong immune response and a four-fold increase in antibodies against coronavirus in 95 per cent of participants.

The federal government has signed a so-called 'Letter of Intent' with AstraZeneca in which the firm agrees to hand the vaccine over to Australia as soon as it is approved.

Australia will then make millions of doses on home soil and distribute them across the country.

The government is in talks with the nation's biggest health company, CSL, to make sure enough doses can be made as fast as possible.

AstraZeneca has already agreed to share the vaccine with the UK, the European Union and international organisations including the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations and Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance.

Australia will later sign a final formal agreement with the company, which will include details about the distribution, timing and price of the vaccine.

Scott Morrison said: 'The Oxford vaccine is one of the most advanced and promising in world, and under this deal we have secured early access for every Australian.

'If this vaccine proves successful we will manufacture and supply vaccines straight away under our own steam and make it free for 25 million Australians.'

The government is also negotiating to buy vaccines from other developers if the Oxford vaccine does not work out.

There are currently 167 vaccine candidates in pre-clinical and clinical trials around the world, including 29 undergoing clinical trials in humans.

There are three candidates in Australia - at the University of Queensland, the University of Melbourne and Flinders University in Adelaide - all of which have completed phase one trials.

Mr Morrison said: 'There is no guarantee that this, or any other, vaccine will be successful, which is why we are continuing our discussions with many parties around the world while backing our own researches at the same time to find a vaccine.' 

Australia is expected to spend billions of dollars on researching, buying and producing a vaccine.

Before the announcement of the deal, Labor's health spokesman Chris Bowen slammed the government for taking too long to sign an agreement.

'I am concerned Australia is way behind the game when it comes to getting access to the vaccine,' he said on Tuesday afternoon.

'It is incumbent on the government to take more steps - urgently - to ensure that we have those advanced supply agreements in place.'

The United States has six advance supply agreements, the UK has five, Japan and Indian have three, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil and South Korea have one.   


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8642173/Anti-vaxxers-refuse-coronavirus-jab-banned-restaurants.html

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The Theosist

QuoteI mean we're talking about a pandemic that has destroyed the global economy

Got to love this lie.  :cheeseheadbeer:

666, coming soon to a country near you.

diaduit

I see the PM of Australia back tracked on his original 'vaccine will be mandatory' after getting a massive back lash. 

awkwardcustomer

They won't need to make the vaccine compulsory.  All they have to do is make it impossible for you to travel, shop, get medical care, send your children to school etc without proof that you've had it. 
And formerly the heretics were manifest; but now the Church is filled with heretics in disguise.  
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 15, para 9.

And what rough beast, it's hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
WB Yeats, 'The Second Coming'.

dellery

Quote from: The Theosist on August 19, 2020, 01:01:11 PM
QuoteI mean we're talking about a pandemic that has destroyed the global economy

Got to love this lie.  :cheeseheadbeer:

666, coming soon to a country near you.

Like economies are biological organisms effected by sickness and disease...

Too bad you Aussies sold yourselves out back in '96.
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TradGranny

Quote from: diaduit on August 20, 2020, 04:17:22 AM
I see the PM of Australia back tracked on his original 'vaccine will be mandatory' after getting a massive back lash.

He forgot the part about "first the carrot then the stick"
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diaduit

Quote from: TradGranny on August 20, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: diaduit on August 20, 2020, 04:17:22 AM
I see the PM of Australia back tracked on his original 'vaccine will be mandatory' after getting a massive back lash.

He forgot the part about "first the carrot then the stick"

I know it will be force by stealth but at the end of the day I will be happy if the army don't roll up and take us away to be vaccinated, if I have to live off grid to do that then so be it.

Prayerful

UK COVID vaccine trial derived from aborted baby cell lines paused

At least they won't be jailing people over this particular vaccine for now. I wonder if Francis will recommend this or similar when released. A woman involved in the trial has fallen ill.

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Astrazenca's statement simply refers to it as "a single event of an unexplained illness that occurred in the UK Phase III trial

while news outlets reported a serious adverse reaction.

Big pharma might have no ethics, but a dangerous product would hurt their profits. It's sad that that is all that protects us from the next stage of the COVID scam. It might not be mandatory, but instead anyone refusing will find life beyond difficult. Oh well.
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mikemac

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on August 19, 2020, 11:29:57 AM
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'I mean we're talking about a pandemic that has destroyed the global economy and taken the lives of hundreds of thousands all around the world and over 450 Australians here.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8642173/Anti-vaxxers-refuse-coronavirus-jab-banned-restaurants.html

https://www.sonichealthplus.com.au/health-hub/flu/item/2019-flu-season-2nd-worst-on-record
QuoteThe Australian Department of Health's 2019 Influenza Season summary affirmed what most people already knew: last year we endured very high levels of activity compared to previous seasons1 and those levels were high from earlier in the year – even during the summer months. This culminated in a total of 310,011 laboratory-confirmed flu notifications by the beginning of December1. On a more serious note, by October 6 more than 800 influenza-associated deaths had been officially recorded, the majority of these were due to influenza A (96%, n=782) and the ages ranged from under 12 months of age to 102 years. Where sub-typing information was available, 128 were associated with influenza A (H3N2), 29 with influenza A(H1N1)pdm09, and 30 with influenza B. The median age of deaths notified was 86 years (but ranged from under 12 months of age to 102 years)1.
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Vaccinations for influenza are recommended annually before the flu season starts.

What to heck.  Close to twice as many Australians died from the flu last year, yet the flu shot is just recommended.  Why would he want to make the covid shot mandatory?  It looks like Australia is going to be the canary in the coal mine.  They won't except the mandatory covid vaccine.
Like John Vennari (RIP) said "Why not just do it?  What would it hurt?"
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awkwardcustomer

Meanwhile, the UK government is planning the harshest ever lockdown for the coming winter, just as predicted, including unleashing an army of 'Covid Marshalls' to patrol the streets and enforce social distancing.   These will be civilians recruited especially for the task.

Boris Johnson even talked about curfews and, wait for it, Covid passports which would allow the vaccinated more freedom from lockdown restrictions, also as predicted.

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An army of marshals will be sent to towns and cities across the country to enforce new virus laws, the Prime Minister announced.

They will break up groups of more than six in town centres and alert police if fines need to be handed out.

Recently retired environmental health officers will also be drafted in to enforce legislation at pubs and restaurants.

They will help enforce social-distancing rules and ensure contact details of all customers are collected for the test and trace system.

The marshals will patrol parks, shopping centres, train stations and other areas where groups of people are likely to gather in larger numbers, Boris Johnson said at Wednesday's press conference.

He said: 'We will boost the local enforcement capacity of local authorities by introducing Covid-secure marshals to help ensure social distancing in town and city centres, and by setting up a register of environmental health officers that local authorities can draw upon for support.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8715109/Social-media-users-mock-Boris-Johnsons-army-Covid-marshals.html
And formerly the heretics were manifest; but now the Church is filled with heretics in disguise.  
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 15, para 9.

And what rough beast, it's hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
WB Yeats, 'The Second Coming'.

awkwardcustomer

Back in April, surfers in Malibu were being arrested for breaking lockdown rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QWC9As58lM&pp=QAA%3D


And formerly the heretics were manifest; but now the Church is filled with heretics in disguise.  
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 15, para 9.

And what rough beast, it's hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
WB Yeats, 'The Second Coming'.

awkwardcustomer

And in Spain just the other day, a woman was also arrested for surfing during lockdown.

And formerly the heretics were manifest; but now the Church is filled with heretics in disguise.  
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 15, para 9.

And what rough beast, it's hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
WB Yeats, 'The Second Coming'.

Greg

The UK rule of 6 will fail spectacularly.

A huge number of people will ignore it.

For a start it discriminates against larger families.  A family of two parents and 4 children can have nobody visit. With 2 children they can have 2 adults visit.

I am going to flout it and rub it in their faces.  See what they will do.
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mikemac

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on September 10, 2020, 06:13:00 AM
And in Spain just the other day, a woman was also arrested for surfing during lockdown.



To be honest, this woman in Spain was arrested for surfing after testing positive for coronavirus in San Sebastian.  Not just "for surfing during lockdown".  She didn't isolate herself when she had covid.  Her friends turned her in.  I just read a Yahoo article about this.  Note in the video you can see other people on the beach, including surfers that are not getting arrested. 
Like John Vennari (RIP) said "Why not just do it?  What would it hurt?"
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awkwardcustomer

The commentary explained that although admittedly I could barely follow it, since it was in Spanish.  But yes, the woman had tested positive for Covid and was so ill that she was able to go surfing.  Then, apparently, her 'friends' turned her in.

Welcome to Covid world, where a virus that is so mild that people have to be tested before they know they've got it is being used to lockdown entire populations.  The woman surfer must be one of the 80 per cent of people who test positive but show no symptoms and I'm betting that her 'friends' won't be her friends for much longer.

You never know who your 'friends' are ...
And formerly the heretics were manifest; but now the Church is filled with heretics in disguise.  
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 15, para 9.

And what rough beast, it's hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
WB Yeats, 'The Second Coming'.