What makes humans unique

Started by Bonaventure, January 18, 2013, 06:57:22 PM

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Bonaventure

Namely, three things: Memory, intellect, and will.

Unlike animals, we are not stuck and enslaved to our impulses. We can remember things, think about and understand things, and, most importantly, choose to do, or not to do, an action.
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

Mithrandylan

A dog can do all three of those things, just to a lesser degree.  When you say intellect, I think the key is highlighting the ability to reason.  We do not have to follow our impulses, as you say.  Where as a dog, on the otherhand-- can only follow his impulses. 
Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

-I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

Bonaventure

Quote from: Mithrandylan on January 23, 2013, 09:34:36 PM
A dog can do all three of those things, just to a lesser degree.  When you say intellect, I think the key is highlighting the ability to reason.  We do not have to follow our impulses, as you say.  Where as a dog, on the otherhand-- can only follow his impulses.

Thanks for the clarification. Reason.
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

LouisIX

According to Aristotle and Thomas, that which distinguishes man from beast is rationality.
IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

OCLittleFlower

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Quote from: Mithrandylan on January 23, 2013, 09:34:36 PM
A dog can do all three of those things, just to a lesser degree.  When you say intellect, I think the key is highlighting the ability to reason.  We do not have to follow our impulses, as you say.  Where as a dog, on the otherhand-- can only follow his impulses.

A dog can fight his impulses to a degree.   That ability is the basis for the "leave it" command.

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My dog can do this.  He is also trained not to take food out of his bowl without being told to "go for it."

Dogs can also reason, though not abstractly.  They can figure out how things work, open fridges because they've seen you do it, figure out how to open doors as long as it doesn't require a thumb, etc.  What they can't do is think abstractly.  For example, my dog seems to think that my husband's homecoming has to do with how dark it is.  So, when the days got darker as winter approached, he got very impatient -- staring out the window, etc.  Now he seems to have adjusted to the "new" timing -- though in truth, my husband has come home around 8pm the whole time.
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SouthpawLink

I'd be very interested to hear what those knowledgable enough have to say about the intellectual capacities of dolphins and chimpanzees.
"Is there no exception to the rule forbidding the administration of the Sacraments to baptized non-Catholics who are in good faith? In the case of those who are in good health, the prohibition is absolute; no dispute on this point is possible in view of the repeated explicit declarations of the Holy Office" (Rev. S. Woywod, A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, vol. I, sec. 625, p. 322ff.).

Contrast the above with the 1983 CIC, Can. 844 §3 & 4: "Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church. . . .  If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church." — The phrase "properly disposed" does not save the canon from error, because the context shows that no conversion is expected on the part of non-Catholics ("manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments" is the sole requirement).

LouisIX

Quote from: SouthpawLink on February 04, 2013, 01:50:52 PM
I'd be very interested to hear what those knowledgable enough have to say about the intellectual capacities of dolphins and chimpanzees.

I think that if Thomas were alive today he would respond that even the most intelligent animals lack what we call rationality.  They may have relatively high capacities to understand human language, use rudimentary tools, or solve basic problems, but they cannot employ logic or contemplation in the way that man can.
IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Ben

I'm interested in this too.

Carl Sagan and McLaughlin discuss this issue.

Part 1:
Part 2:

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Mankind can imagine and create what he imagines. (being made in the image of God)
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