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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2017, 08:51:27 PM »
 I just had a go 'round with the moderator over at the Remnant on this subject.  The person deleted my posts as spam.  Totally dishonest.  I wonder how they can face themselves in the morning when they pull stunts like that? it makes me genuinely doubt their commitment to the faith.  Truth is obviously not as important as them selling their narrative.  You catch these guys being liberal or hypocrites or both and they just can't handle it. 
 
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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2017, 09:18:05 PM »
I just had a go 'round with the moderator over at the Remnant on this subject.  The person deleted my posts as spam.  Totally dishonest.  I wonder how they can face themselves in the morning when they pull stunts like that? it makes me genuinely doubt their commitment to the faith.  Truth is obviously not as important as them selling their narrative.  You catch these guys being liberal or hypocrites or both and they just can't handle it.

What happened?
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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 01:11:23 AM »
I just had a go 'round with the moderator over at the Remnant on this subject.  The person deleted my posts as spam.  Totally dishonest.  I wonder how they can face themselves in the morning when they pull stunts like that? it makes me genuinely doubt their commitment to the faith.  Truth is obviously not as important as them selling their narrative.  You catch these guys being liberal or hypocrites or both and they just can't handle it.

What happened?

Luckily, that Disqus service keeps a record of your posts.  So, the work involved isn't lost.  I think people should post these exchanges when they encounter them.  It shows how even a little trad newspaper wants to be the gatekeeper of the narrative and shut down positions that either they don't want discussed or don't want known for other reasons.

Here's the whole exchange.

 
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Better late than never, but I'd like to ask this priest "Why now?" concerning his letter. He could've written it 35 years ago as much as today.
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  Remnant Moderator . Gerard • a day ago

    Sister Lucia called it "diabolical disorientation". But, hey, the guy did the right thing. He woke up. He did exactly that which we're begging priests and bishops the world over to do. Probably needs a word of encouragement from us, rather than a: "Duh! Where you been, dude!" Right?
 
   
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    I see what you're getting at and you may be right. But to approach it from a different perspective , my rhetorical question was to point out the very probable and lugubrious point that these people like Cardinal Burke or these various prelates have not woken up to the reality of the crisis at all. They think Francis is an aberration and not the logical conclusion of what we've been fed for more than half a century. These guys are no more aware of the wrongness of the novelties they've been swimming in than the Protestants who are issuing rebukes to Francis are aware of their Protestant errors. They want their confused, beautiful "...as the second Vatican Council so clearly stated...." nonsense. A word of encouragement from us would probably send them into the arms of Francis to show their "loyalty." They would sooner recant their rebukes to the Pope before they would say, "LeFebvre was right" or "Vatican II needs to be scrapped." Even if a formal resistance from them occurred, it would more likely than not be opposed to traditional Catholicism every bit as much as during the JPII reign of horror. Perhaps calling them out on similar scandalous actions by less overtly but more destructive Popes that they almost worship would make them stop sitting on the fence over the revolution in the Church and force them to take a consistent position.
   
 
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   Remnant Moderator . Gerard • a day ago

    I disagree. Calling them out at a pivotal moment like this only makes us look like arrogant know-it-alls, who need to get in our big "told ya so!" at all costs. Nothing is gained from it. Because of who he is (or, I should say, who he 'was') he's done more to upset the Francis road show with a single letter than we've been able to do with a filial correction and months of back and forth. He prayed before he did what he did, and believes he received a sign from God to stand against Francis. Good grief, why would we traddies need to kick him in the face for not being as brilliant as we've been these past 50 years? The Remnant's celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. The folks running this organization have been at it a long time, and yet I think I can safely say that our editors wouldn't dream of looking this gift horse in the mouth. I'm just the moderator, but I don't get it. I say: "Way to go, Father! God bless you and Mary keep! And if you're looking for a port in the storm you've called down upon yourself, you're welcome at our fires anytime." Then maybe we can talk a little Vatican II with him.

Here's my rebuttal which was removed as spam. 

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Detected as spam Thanks, we'll work on getting this corrected.

Well, I would suggest aren't limited to that either/or proposition. We can figure out a way or a multiplicity of ways to prudently and charitably point out to him others in that situation that they are on the right track but need to see the wider picture if they want to be consistent. We know where their flaws are, the liberals do too. And the libs will certainly use that as a weapon for confusion and subversion against them. Our options do not have to be a prickly "triumphalism" as the liberals call it or 100% unqualified support. We can find a third or more options than a false dichotomy. Protestants Orthodox and Trump can upset the Francis road show better than traditionalists since they are all more important to the Pope and his agenda. The job of trads is not to upset the Francis road show except only incidentally. The job of trads is to stand up for the truths of the faith, not just the opportune ones according to the moment. We don't want to fall into the problem of "false eirenism" in internecine struggles in the Church. The SSPX and even Bp. Williamson and the other resistance bishops can defend or laud the statements, actions or validity of Novus Ordo adherents or even non-Catholics while simultaneously pointing out that there are still huge doctrinal errors they are imbibing in. And they do it charitably, fulfilling the spiritual work of mercy of "instructing the ignorant."

So, I took a parting shot to see if their conscience could be awakened. 

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Detected as spam Thanks, we'll work on getting this corrected.

What's your deal? I proved you to be wrong and instead of doing the right thing of conceding the points or stepping up with a real argument, you mark it as spam and delete it? It's so sad and hypocritical to read the huffing and puffing supposedly about all things Catholics and then watch as you turn your back on the truth like this. It's happened on multiple occasions now and you're not alone. I'm sure God is so impressed with stunts like that. You want diabolical disorientation? Look in the mirror. My rebuttal showed you to be fully engaged in using the tactics and arguments of the worst liberals in the Church against traditionalists. Your actions show you are no different.
 
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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2017, 09:09:59 AM »
Thanks for sharing this, Gerard. I too have had a comment marked as spam over there at The Remnant. Once that happened I decided to never post there again. I don't understand the entire nuts and bolts of Disqus, but I took it as a weasel way out that they could pretend they never read it in the first place.
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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 11:21:19 AM »
Thanks for sharing this, Gerard. I too have had a comment marked as spam over there at The Remnant. Once that happened I decided to never post there again. I don't understand the entire nuts and bolts of Disqus, but I took it as a weasel way out that they could pretend they never read it in the first place.


They like to have debate over there, but they stack the deck with the moderation.  Chris Ferrara likes to comment on his own articles and reply to people often, but if you actually correct him irrefutably, your post is for the scrap heap. 

I laugh when I think about how a little while back, he was rebuking Michael Voris for having a petition to pressure a bishop or Cardinal to resign.  I pointed out that it was hypocritical to criticize that when at that very moment the Remnant had a petition going to pressure Francis to either change his ways or step down from the papacy.  Needless to say, they weren't going to concede nor let the post stand.
 
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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 12:43:43 PM »
I realize that's the way of many moderators, to over-moderate and delete dissent, but we're talking about a pattern at a well known traditional Catholic news and commentary site, of deleting intelligent, civil, robust debate.  No heresy or blasphemy or even error involved, merely insight / different perspective from other Catholics.  Thus, it's an echo chamber.  Not helpful in these days of chaos and confusion.
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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 03:01:24 PM »
I think the beginning of the OnePeterFive article's title is fitting: "Dialogue?"
 

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Re: Fr. Weinandy a priest who wrote a letter to Pope asked to resign from USCC
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2017, 11:52:15 PM »
I realize that's the way of many moderators, to over-moderate and delete dissent, but we're talking about a pattern at a well known traditional Catholic news and commentary site, of deleting intelligent, civil, robust debate.  No heresy or blasphemy or even error involved, merely insight / different perspective from other Catholics.  Thus, it's an echo chamber.  Not helpful in these days of chaos and confusion.

The only thing I've ever deleted was (I think) spam and porno. 

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