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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2013, 07:18:58 PM »
Doesn't it all remind us of a certain character from a certain show?

Maybe it's just me.

YES, HE REMINDS ME OF MATTHEW FROM DOWNTON ABBEY.

Which you should all watch.
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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2013, 07:22:22 PM »
Doesn't it all remind us of a certain character from a certain show?

Maybe it's just me.

YES, HE REMINDS ME OF MATTHEW FROM DOWNTON ABBEY.

Which you should all watch.

Does this mean that after single handily saving the Church he will die in a tragic sedia gestatoria accident?
 

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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2013, 07:23:37 PM »
Ninja edit.

And lol.
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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2013, 07:31:11 PM »
Check out his Novus Ordo Mass.

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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2013, 07:32:38 PM »
It is all about looking "humble" and not wanting to offend the poor masses these days.

Yes, so many seem to think that humility and the pomp and glory of the papacy are mutually exclusive. 'You can't be humble and receive the glory of the papacy at the same time.' It is one thing for a saint to prefer a life of simplicity, poverty, and obedience to the vocation of a Vatican prelate; it is another to refuse the honor and dignity of the papacy (as an office) in the name of humility.

The honor and dignity of the papacy are bestowed upon the pope by virtue of the office he holds, not by any personal sanctity he possesses. We do not refer to him as "His Holiness" because he is necessarily holy; we use this title out of respect for the holy office he occupies.

It's like saying that Christ can't be humble because His Body and Blood are housed in a gold tabernacle in a beautiful and lavishly decorated gold-trimmed church. This is the error of the Protestants. The pope must only accept this glory by virtue of the office he holds, not as though it is due to his own person.

In some ways it's actually quite selfish and self-centered.  Oh, I can't be bothered to wear clothes dignified to my office.  I'm going to go out of my way to make a scene, to show everyone how different I am, to make my papacy something different.

My understanding is that Pius X and Pius XII especially found the correct balance here.  They allowed themselves to be carried in the sedia gestatoria and showed the dignity of the papacy in their public life and then returned to sleep on the floor in their papal apartment in private.

This.  Instead of lowering himself to the least common denominator he should inspire the lowest of us to want to do or be better through his actions.  It's leadership 101.

The real leaders, the ones the troops want to follow into battle are the guys who are proud of their position and mission.  What soldier will take pride in his uniform or appearance if he see's his commanding officer unshaven and wearing a wrinkled uniform?  The good leaders are the guys who work longer and harder than everyone else and lead by example from the front. 
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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2013, 07:39:01 PM »
Check out his Novus Ordo Mass.

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I think my cred is pretty well established here. i am not sticking up for him but this looks to be one of those dumb ass youth mass type things. His Mass today in the Sistine Chapel was okay for an NO Mass that is.
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Re: Pope Francis 1st Papal Mass Sistine Chapel
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2013, 08:48:18 PM »
Check out his Novus Ordo Mass.

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I think my cred is pretty well established here. i am not sticking up for him but this looks to be one of those dumb ass youth mass type things. His Mass today in the Sistine Chapel was okay for an NO Mass that is.

What does that tell us about him?

He likes a flexible pandering Novus Ordo with all the banal, manufactured liturgical qualities it carries with it?

He's supposedly a fan of the Divine Liturgy.

He is no fan of the TLM. 

So the TLM particularly represents something to him that he finds repellent. 

More than that, it's an obstacle of some sort to him.  It's not just a matter of distaste, because the normal reaction would be different strokes for different folks.