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If I were a moderator...
« on: June 18, 2021, 09:48:48 PM »
If I shared a link to this post in response to you, then you made a weird claim about me acting like a moderator, which, presumably, I'm still not at the time of doing so.

I see, time and time again, and just now from someone who crawled out of the world work to say it, that I act like a moderator (or think of myself as a moderator, or usurp the moderator, etc).

Given the number of times this sort of nonsense has been repeated, this is the official reply: I'm not a moderator. I don't want to be a moderator. And using the forum is not acting like a moderator.

My "complaints" are simple and somewhat unique: a Catholic forum should be primarily for Catholics, and blasphemies, heresies, and non-Catholic trolls should be excluded. It is basics: a Linux forum shouldn't have Windows advocates running all over the place. That would just be seen as trolling in any other circumstance.

Back at the beginning, the major complaints I had were that the forum was influenced by secular humanism and feminism (feminism was rather rampant, and secular humanism was a perception of a need for stronger knowledge of Catholic moral theology, instead of relying on cultural sensibilities).

In fact, I think I might have gone after that quite a bit (and I wasn't alone).

Blasphemies, heresies, and non-Catholic trolling weren't even a thing, at least, not for long.

Look at the Forum Rules. Regardless of how quickly or strictly they are enforced, adults with good will should at least try to follow them and respect them. I didn't make those rules.

Yes, the boundaries on many are very loose: derailing threads rarely gets much attention and is rampant, but there isn't a high volume of activity, so it doesn't actually disrupt much. People post articles and links without commentary all the time on new threads, but most don't get responses and nobody really complains.

But the main points of it: no blasphemy, no heresy, no trolling are pretty standard.

I used to be a moderator, several times, on much larger Internet communities. My view is that any community that is worth keeping doesn't need strict moderation: it just needs boundaries set to enable effective discourse.

On a Catholic forum, that means the boundaries are essentially Catholic doctrines, devotions, theology, and history. To post contrary to that is to be against the forum and it should be removed without hesitation for any person who persists in going against it.

For conduct on threads, slight nudging to stay on topic at least for the beginning of the thread until it has run its course, and to refrain from descending into ape-like behaviours too often is mostly all that is needed.

And of course, pornography, spam, obscenities, and other obviously bad stuff would result in instant banning.

Otherwise, micromanaging discussions isn't needed: the boundaries just need to be there to enable effective discourse.

And having blasphemers, heretics, and non-Catholic trolls running around just discourages Catholics.

And a Catholic who will stand up against it, not only deals with them, but other Catholics who have grown to tolerate or even like those people. It is somewhat discouraging.

So if I were a moderator: I'd see protecting the Catholic identity of the forum as the most important function, to keep it clear of the filth, and Catholics would be able to interact rather freely, including all the ones who are very inactive because they don't like the state of the forum.

But I'm not a moderator: I'm a user, and I use the forum as a user, who is a lifelong Catholic and doesn't see any reason to not post against these grievous issues when I come across them.

(Note: had I known of all these things when I registered, I probably wouldn't, but it wasn't apparent without digging and I was expecting to deal with the same old issues at most, not these new anti-Catholic issues.)

So please, stop saying I am acting like a moderator: I am a Catholic user of the forum and I act like that. Every user who says I act like a moderator and should change how I post because I am telling others how to post is a hypocrite and it is a little amusing to witness.

(This post is made for future reference, so if you don't want to see it: don't reply to it to bump it up, and don't make the claim of me acting like a moderator.)
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2021, 11:56:54 PM »
 Well, when you start threads and then dictate repeatedly what is allowed and what isn't allowed in regards to replies, and as the only one doing it here, it's understandable it gets old quick.

The members who have been here for years aren't going to be subject to your "Catholic litmus test" either.

It's not your's or my forum. Membership is a privilege not a right.

Just be a good Catholic and be at peace.
 
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2021, 12:01:06 AM »
Well, when you start threads and then dictate repeatedly what is allowed and what isn't allowed in regards to replies, and as the only one doing it here, it's understandable it gets old quick.
Your first post of the day is to criticize me.

This kind of opinion from almost inactive posters is weird.

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The members who have been here for years aren't going to be subject to your "Catholic litmus test" either.
Sure, blasphemies and heresies and non-Catholic trolls are just my personal litmus test.

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It's not your's or my forum. Membership is a privilege not a right.
And I'm a member and posting. Why spend you sparse activity commenting on that instead of using the forum?

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Just be a good Catholic and be at peace.

A good Catholic? Do you have a litmus test? Or are you just a hypocrite on this matter of being a good Catholic and telling others how to use the forum?

You posted here, but not to protest or refute any blasphemies or heresies or anti-Catholic trolling.

What are your values? If you said nothing to the things I responded to, yet you come out of the woodwork to criticize me, do you really want me to draw a conclusion on that?

People who come out of the woodwork just to post against me, while being silent on the anti-Catholic posting that I was responding to might as well join them.

A good Catholic wouldn't go after another Catholic who is posting in defense of the faith while remaining silent on those attacks.

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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 12:19:30 AM »
Note my signature: I only accept criticism from people who shown themselves to be something other than a troll. If you protest me because of silly things, but you didn't protest blasphemies or heresies or anti-Catholic posting, you might as well join them and I'll point this out.

What use it is it to log in and make one's activity critical of me, after standing by silently in the face of those things? Assuming you are watching, which you must to make these posts about me, where were you then?



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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2021, 12:21:36 AM »
Lol

 
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2021, 12:23:14 AM »
Lol

Coming out of the woodwork to mock and deride is not Catholic.

If you only contribution to the forum is to criticize me, I'm going to comment on your posts honestly.
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2021, 01:44:03 AM »
Acolyte is not a troll and didn't "just come out of the woodwork."  He's been a regular poster here for years.

People who criticize other people (you, me, Acolyte....) are not by that fact "trolls" unless those posters have nothing positive or constructive to say, and merely have an axe to grind or personal animus.  (I agree that some people are merely destructive; they are cyber-stalkers and seem to register on various forums, both Catholic and non-Catholic ones, for the purpose of being as negative as possible.) We've had them here on SD and we still have them. However, that does not define Acolyte's posting history.

He posted some restrained criticism -- in the spirit of explaining the effect of your forum behavior. He was trying to say that your style does not invite discussion but may inhibit it because of its peremptory tone.

Your words often imply that you consider yourself the only faithful or the most faithful Catholic on the forum, and that "therefore" anyone who takes issue with your tone must be less Catholic than you.  Even if that's not your position, it's the way you communicate.  If you did less of that, no one would have reason to doubt that you were still a faithful Catholic.
 
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2021, 06:07:59 AM »
I suggest everyone who wants Insanis to be banned, and there are plenty of us, simply stops posting until he is banned.

That is what I plan to do.

Let the place become an echo chamber.
 
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2021, 06:45:05 AM »
I suggest everyone who wants Insanis to be banned, and there are plenty of us, simply stops posting until he is banned.

That is what I plan to do.

Let the place become an echo chamber.

This is a great idea.  I think the forum would be vastly improved by removing the daily repetitive complaining about Insanis. 

Those who think that a forum that only accepts posts that are compatible with Catholic teaching is an "Echo chamber," lack understanding of some basic Catholic principles.
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2021, 07:05:20 AM »
I suggest everyone who wants Insanis to be banned, and there are plenty of us, simply stops posting until he is banned.

That is what I plan to do.

Let the place become an echo chamber.

When I was away for a week, do you know what the forum was like?

It was not a bustling active forum!

And you, MaximGun, do not improve the forum.

You are one of the people who deny Our Lady of Fatima, which is, of course blasphmey.

And your posts are vulgar often and deliberately offensive, if not obscene.

Do you think I want your approval or you to continue posting like that on any forum I am active on?

If I were a moderator, you are on the short list (yes, it is quite short) of people to be instantly banned.
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2021, 07:15:56 AM »
However, that does not define Acolyte's posting history.
I was talking about the day of the post.

That was 100% of the activity for the day.

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He posted some restrained criticism -- in the spirit of explaining the effect of your forum behavior. He was trying to say that your style does not invite discussion but may inhibit it because of its peremptory tone.
Yes, it was more restrained than some, but it was 100% of his forum activity for the day.

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Your words often imply that you consider yourself the only faithful or the most faithful Catholic on the forum, and that "therefore" anyone who takes issue with your tone must be less Catholic than you.  Even if that's not your position, it's the way you communicate.  If you did less of that, no one would have reason to doubt that you were still a faithful Catholic.

That is a matter of perception and you know it isn't true.

My previous activities on this forum and others were highly prolific on matters of moral theology. I had an entire blog and many posts, and my major criticisms of this forum were the influence of feminism and secular humanism (even against some of the moderators, at the time).

The resistance to me was almost nothing back then and I posted far more, and it was far more about moral theology for Catholics. I almost never dealt with non-Catholic errors or blasphemies.

Why is openly resisting blasphemies, heresies, and non-Catholic trolls seen as thinking I'm more Catholic than other Catholics? If anything, it is simply the most basic definition of being in the Church. I haven't posted about someone being unduly influenced by secular humanism while confirming that the person influenced was indeed Catholic.

This thread was actually a result of an old kerfuffle on the forum with actual feminists and people influenced by secular humanism, and you'll see that the old feminists (who are no longer active here) had much better responses to largely the single man who promoted his own opinions (that my original post attempted to refute before such views were expressed).

The "nuance" of the intricacies of Moral Theology have never actually come up as far as I can remember on this account: I am posting against blasphemies, heresies, and anti-Catholic trolling.

These things were never a problem before.

The responses and perception of me as acting like a moderator or thinking highly of myself were extremely rare opinions when I was actually posting about the details of moral theology incessantly. Nobody accused me of being a moderator, a few select individuals claimed I seemed arrogant, but the rest did not regardless of how much they appreciated my posts or not.

And I posted a lot more then.



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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2021, 08:35:59 AM »
Backs seat moderation earns an insta ban in many places.

I think Fatima is very worthy, but someone with a different opinion on a private revelation is not a blasphemer. It's just wrong to say so.
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2021, 09:13:00 AM »
@Insanis I really do think you have a serious paranoia problem. Acolyte was very kind in his response, and you say he’s criticizing you? Seriously, it’s getting annoying. Get off yourself already. Everyone (ok, not you, Jayne) here is sick of it.
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2021, 09:13:23 AM »
Backs seat moderation earns an insta ban in many places.
And I am not doing that.

That is what other people are claiming.

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I think Fatima is very worthy, but someone with a different opinion on a private revelation is not a blasphemer. It's just wrong to say so.

Please understand what I wrote: Denying the honour due to Our Lady of Fatima is blasphemy.

Please note what I am writing: I am not saying people are bound to accept or required to believe private revelations. I am saying that to deny an approved title of Our Lady is blasphemy. To accuse others of idolatry or other errors for accepting approved private revelations is also sinful.
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Re: If I were a moderator...
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2021, 09:17:13 AM »
@Insanis I really do think you have a serious paranoia problem.

Paranoia can be a good thing.

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Acolyte was very kind in his response, and you say he’s criticizing you? Seriously, it’s getting annoying. Get off yourself already.

Look at how you respond to perceived criticism. Also, he wasn't very kind to make that his primary activity on the forum for the day when there were other things to do.

You are using yet another thread to post a commentary on me. I already know what you think. Do you think making such comments is useful? Do I have grave errors? You don't like the frequency of my posts...so what? That is hardly worthy of such attention.

This thread was not intended for discussion you know. It was something I could post a link to whenever someone made a claim I was acting like a moderator randomly because I use the forum.

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Everyone (ok, not you, Jayne) here is sick of it.

Everyone is not sick of it.

I know the usual crowd is prone to complaining, but they are also guilty of grave errors or tolerant of them to the extent that they would rather deal with them than see my posts, which they don't have to click on.

Fun fact: I almost never read posts in certain subforums at all, and for threads which have titles which don't interest me, I don't read them or comment on them.

Even if there are a 100 threads like that at once, I look for what does interest me.

I know some people don't like my posts, that is fine. By they do seem drawn to them to comment and be active like moths around a porch light. Make your own threads for discussions! You don't need to rally around me.


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