What's the timeline for the End Times?

[LausTibiChriste]

I've never really studied it and I constantly hear opposing viewpoints, so what is it?

Antichrist comes, reigns for 3.5 years, then Our Lord returns in glory, ousts him, and then call it a wrap, General Judgment time?


I would like to have this conversation without mentioning prophecy, but I know that won't be possible on here. But then again, it could play a role, so let's see how this goes.

[GiftOfGod]

There's an out-of-print book on the subject that I want to read:
Apocalypse Explained (formerly known as The Apocalypse of St John) by H.M. Féret, O.P. from the 1940s/50s.

A reprint of it was sold from 2007 up until last year by the publisher Roman Catholic Books (which went out of business during the pandemic).

Below was taken from their web site (https://booksforcatholics.com/collections/end-times/products/ae) before it went offline:

At last, a scholarly Catholic look at the Apocalypse


"Fr. Feret has taken an enigmatic book of the Bible and explained it briefly, clearly and in a thoroughly scholarly fashion." -- Worship

St. John's Apocalypse, better known as the Book of Revelation, is perhaps the most profound, fascinating and frequently misinterpreted book in the Bible. All manner of heretics, pseudo-prophets and cultists have found in its mysterious symbols and prophecies the basis for their false teachings. Even the soberest Protestant studies -- which are numerous -- are infected by anti-Catholic errors and vain speculation.

Unfortunately, most Catholic studies of the Apocalypse have been aimed at specialists. An exception was this popular treatment by the eminent French theologian H.M. Feret, written in response to rising apocalyptic expectations during World War II, and later widely translated. Now back in print in its English version, it remains the definitive study for ordinary Catholics -- equally useful for laymen, clergy, seminarians, and homeschoolers studying Scripture with their children. Highlights and major themes:

Common misinterpretations of apocalyptic symbols and prophecies -- and why they're wrong (Fr. Feret cites traditional Church teaching, great theologians, and Scripture itself)

The important historical events that prompted St. John to write the Apocalypse (crucial to correct interpretation)

Jesus in the Apocalypse: quite different from -- and an important complement to -- his image in the Gospels

Important ways the Apocalypse modifies and enriches doctrines found elsewhere in the New Testament. How it supports Catholic dogmas denied by Protestants

The Apocalypse as true prophesy. One major prediction that has already come to pass

Major historical eras prophesied in the Apocalypse. Which one is ours?

The Christian view of history according to St. John. The role of the Church

How Protestants distort St. John's teachings about the Church, its divine mission, and its final destiny

The activity of Satan in history. His two chief weapons against the Church

The heavenly Jerusalem, and the End of Time

The true meaning of the Millennium

How St. John pictures Christ's spiritual kingdom, triumphant over the nations, as the fulfillment of Old Testament prophesy

How must the faithful cooperate with Christ in His victory over Satan? How St. John assures us that Christ's cause will triumph

In seven tightly-written chapters, Fr. Feret helps you understand the Apocalypse "in the Faith and under the direction of the holy Church." Briefly but thoroughly, he explains the book's historical context, symbols, prophecies and doctrinal implications, while also drawing out its "profound lessons ... for the religious soul."

PLUS, the true significance of these key apocalyptic symbols:
The Man on the White Horse * The Two Beasts * The Seven Seals * The Ten Kings * The Good and Evil Angels * The Identity of 666 * The 144,000 * The Seven Golden Candlesticks * The Two-Edged Sword * The Two Witnesses * The Trumpets * The Bowls * The Millennium * The Last Tribulations * The Final Battle with Satan * The Lamb of God * The New Jerusalem * And More

Reviewers of the original 1958 English edition welcomed it as a crystal clear, balanced and Catholic explanation of Scripture's most difficult book:

"SOUND, USEFUL AND ILLUMINATING ... not only explaining the text ... but bringing out clearly the religious truths which should guide our thoughts." - The Clergy Review

"ENLIGHTENING AND SOBERING ... Those whom the Apocalypse tends to fill with distrust, alarm, bewilderment and vexation should find this companion to it reassuring, because Fr. Feret displays very convincingly that there is an intelligible message." - Blackfriars

"PLAINLY AND LUCIDLY expounds the nature of Christian eschatology for the layman." - Downside Review

"PROFOUND ... all readers will share in the consolation and courage that the first readers must have experienced at the assurance of final victory through the King of Kings." -- Theological Studies

"ADMIRABLY ACHIEVES ITS PURPOSE. [Fr. Feret] has selected the key ideas and developed them at some length and at times leisurely made modern applications. Thus the interest of the reader is sustained. At the same time the great figures and symbols are clearly presented and their meaning explained." - Worship

-Hardcover

It has good reviews on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Explained-originally-titled-John/product-reviews/B000GARCZ0/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

You can find an electric copy here for free:
http://strobertbellarmine.net/books/Feret--Apocalypse.pdf

[LausTibiChriste]

There's an out-of-print book on the subject that I want to read:
Apocalypse Explained (formerly known as The Apocalypse of St John) by H.M. Ferét, O.P. from the 1940s/50s.

A reprint of it was sold from 2007 up until last year by the publisher Roman Catholic Books (which went out of business during the pandemic).

Below was taken from their web site (https://booksforcatholics.com/collections/end-times/products/ae) before it went offline:

At last, a scholarly Catholic look at the Apocalypse


"Fr. Feret has taken an enigmatic book of the Bible and explained it briefly, clearly and in a thoroughly scholarly fashion." -- Worship

St. John's Apocalypse, better known as the Book of Revelation, is perhaps the most profound, fascinating and frequently misinterpreted book in the Bible. All manner of heretics, pseudo-prophets and cultists have found in its mysterious symbols and prophecies the basis for their false teachings. Even the soberest Protestant studies -- which are numerous -- are infected by anti-Catholic errors and vain speculation.

Unfortunately, most Catholic studies of the Apocalypse have been aimed at specialists. An exception was this popular treatment by the eminent French theologian H.M. Feret, written in response to rising apocalyptic expectations during World War II, and later widely translated. Now back in print in its English version, it remains the definitive study for ordinary Catholics -- equally useful for laymen, clergy, seminarians, and homeschoolers studying Scripture with their children. Highlights and major themes:

Common misinterpretations of apocalyptic symbols and prophecies -- and why they're wrong (Fr. Feret cites traditional Church teaching, great theologians, and Scripture itself)

The important historical events that prompted St. John to write the Apocalypse (crucial to correct interpretation)

Jesus in the Apocalypse: quite different from -- and an important complement to -- his image in the Gospels

Important ways the Apocalypse modifies and enriches doctrines found elsewhere in the New Testament. How it supports Catholic dogmas denied by Protestants

The Apocalypse as true prophesy. One major prediction that has already come to pass

Major historical eras prophesied in the Apocalypse. Which one is ours?

The Christian view of history according to St. John. The role of the Church

How Protestants distort St. John's teachings about the Church, its divine mission, and its final destiny

The activity of Satan in history. His two chief weapons against the Church

The heavenly Jerusalem, and the End of Time

The true meaning of the Millennium

How St. John pictures Christ's spiritual kingdom, triumphant over the nations, as the fulfillment of Old Testament prophesy

How must the faithful cooperate with Christ in His victory over Satan? How St. John assures us that Christ's cause will triumph

In seven tightly-written chapters, Fr. Feret helps you understand the Apocalypse "in the Faith and under the direction of the holy Church." Briefly but thoroughly, he explains the book's historical context, symbols, prophecies and doctrinal implications, while also drawing out its "profound lessons ... for the religious soul."

PLUS, the true significance of these key apocalyptic symbols:
The Man on the White Horse * The Two Beasts * The Seven Seals * The Ten Kings * The Good and Evil Angels * The Identity of 666 * The 144,000 * The Seven Golden Candlesticks * The Two-Edged Sword * The Two Witnesses * The Trumpets * The Bowls * The Millennium * The Last Tribulations * The Final Battle with Satan * The Lamb of God * The New Jerusalem * And More

Reviewers of the original 1958 English edition welcomed it as a crystal clear, balanced and Catholic explanation of Scripture's most difficult book:

"SOUND, USEFUL AND ILLUMINATING ... not only explaining the text ... but bringing out clearly the religious truths which should guide our thoughts." - The Clergy Review

"ENLIGHTENING AND SOBERING ... Those whom the Apocalypse tends to fill with distrust, alarm, bewilderment and vexation should find this companion to it reassuring, because Fr. Feret displays very convincingly that there is an intelligible message." - Blackfriars

"PLAINLY AND LUCIDLY expounds the nature of Christian eschatology for the layman." - Downside Review

"PROFOUND ... all readers will share in the consolation and courage that the first readers must have experienced at the assurance of final victory through the King of Kings." -- Theological Studies

"ADMIRABLY ACHIEVES ITS PURPOSE. [Fr. Feret] has selected the key ideas and developed them at some length and at times leisurely made modern applications. Thus the interest of the reader is sustained. At the same time the great figures and symbols are clearly presented and their meaning explained." - Worship

-Hardcover

It has good reviews on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Explained-originally-titled-John/product-reviews/B000GARCZ0/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

You can find an electric copy here for free:
http://strobertbellarmine.net/books/Feret--Apocalypse.pdf

THanks

There's another one out there by a Fr Berry(?). I've heard lots of Trads reference it, but apparently, it teaches Millenarianism towards the end. 

[james03]

I don't think anything is really determined, though there are scholarly opinions.  We have the return of the jews to jerusalem, the great war that kills 1/3 of man kind that starts at the Euphrates, the Church going into hiding, and the 3.5 years of anti Christ.  Then anti Christ is overthrown.  Most people assume that after that is the end, but it is not certain.  I lean to it being the end.

[King Wenceslas]

We just might find out about that timeline pretty quickly here.

With the US under resourced and under manned in the far east, Joe asleep at the wheel, Putin shifting troops to Ukraine border, anything is possible over the next few years.

Covid seems to have gotten us back on track for Armageddon after 30 years of nap time.

[Santantonio]

Mortal men cannot astroturf the End Times, as Evangelical Zionist Christians believe. God cannot be coerced into taking action.
We may very well endure (or not) another cataclysmic war that is curated to match the prophecies, but in the final analysis, nothing will happen until God permits it and is truly done with this Age of Man.

We should be aware that there is a possibility as Peter and the OT both confirm -- a thousand years is as a single day to the Lord -- that around 2030/33 will be the Third Day -- and maybe even the 7000th year (because the Jews changed their calendar to make it look like Christ was not the Messiah).