Quote from: Bernadette on Today at 06:32:57 PMSo then the Jews are no more responsible for killing Christ than anyone else is.
Quote from: Leviticus 24:13-1413 And the Lord spoke to Moses, 14 Saying: Bring forth the blasphemer without the camp, and let them that heard him, put their hands upon his head, and let all the people stone him.
Quote from: John 8:77 When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
QuoteAbsolutely; but you have to realize that the current situation in the Church is something that has not happened in its history; there is no "blueprint" for getting out of it, except waiting for a true Pope to occupy the See of Peter. Meanwhile the situation in Orthodoxy i.e. disunity, is the very essence of their rejection of a central supreme authority. There is a cure for our situation in the very constitution of the Church; their only solution is to convert to the Faith.
Quote from: HeinrichSin crucified Jesus. All men are sinners. All jews are men. Basic philosophy. Bernadette's statement resonates with a modernist understanding of the JQ. Any Talmudic adherent at any time in history is a legacy of deicide. Yes, perfidious.So then the Jews are no more responsible for killing Christ than anyone else is.
Quote from: Miriam_M on Today at 10:07:27 AMQuote from: Heinrich on Today at 09:21:28 AMQuote from: Bernadette on Today at 07:46:44 AMI don't see the problem with not blaming all Jews for the crucifixion of Christ.
Some jews are sinless?
Bernadette did not state that some Jews are sinless.
There are two situations or realities here, which the Church teaches. One is that the Jewish hierarchy of the First Century was certainly responsible, as were those Jews who had the opportunity to make a choice for Our Lord instead of Barabbas. Undoubtedly, there were many Jews not in the upper levels of power who were also not invincibly ignorant and might have been culpable before God for rejecting His Son. How many -- or whether the entire Jewish population of the time -- are to be condemned is not our concern, because here's the other truth the Church teaches:
We are all responsible for the Crucifixion. Our sins, collectively, resulted in His death, but God's power alone resulted in His resurrection. He chose to redeem all of us, Jew and Gentile -- that is, to make that redemption operative for all who choose to renounce any other idol or false religion for Him alone.
The Jewish Diaspora resulted in a variety of outcomes, including children born to Jews, children born to ex-Jews, as it were, adopting a Catholic or other Christian religion of a different region than what was operative in the Mediterranean basin of the First Century. We have no access to the Mind of God to know which Jews-by-ancestry after the birth of the Church converted and those who will convert in the future. The idea that God has absolutely condemned every single Jew-by-birth who ever lived or will live is not something the Church teaches, even though it is also true that the Church condemns Judaism, as a religion, as antithetical to Christ's Church. The degree of personal blame of individuals is not something we have access to.
That said, I affirm the earlier Holy Week liturgical language regarding the perfidy of the Jews. That's a general statement.
Parenthetically, I have studied Judaism quite a bit, including its history. Proselytizing believers of other religions is not part of any game plan, publicly or privately. Contrast that with the [cough] Religion of "Peace." A significant portion of modern Islam embraces publicly the aim of forcibly converting Christians to Islam. Jews are not a threat to Catholics -- and I am not talking about the Anti-Christ to come; Muslims, OTOH, are.
Quote...As mentioned above, even when the moral evaluation of a candidate was positive (even eminently so, as in the case of Metropolitan Phillip), the candidate was nonetheless disqualified when it was accepted beyond doubt that he or she had been out of communion with Rome. This means that the Commission accepted into the RR only saints that it believed to be, or presumed to be, in communion with Rome. The category of a "material schismatic, who did not provoke, but inherited the schism in good faith, and therefore, according to Jugie and St. Augustine, carried no responsibility for the schism, was not considered by the Commissions as a candidate for the RR and RV sanctorale.
Quote from: LausTibiChriste on May 02, 2024, 05:50:12 PMThis is impossible; as only Catholics can be canonized as saints.Quote from: Michael Wilson on May 02, 2024, 05:08:28 PMThen he states (in support of the foregoing) that "we are allowed to venerate a number of post schism Orthodox saints": Yes, this is true, but only since Vatican II;
Wrong again.
Ven. Sheptytsky petitioned Rome in the early 20th century (I think 1905 but could be mistaken) to have all Orthodox saints included on their calendar. This was granted by the Vatican with some exceptions (St Mark of Ephesus being one of them).
QuoteOn top of that, Pius XII approved the liturgical calendar for Russian Catholics (still trying to get my hands on one) that included numerous post-schism saints, including St Sergius of Radonezh (A personal favourite of mine).See above.
QuoteIt's no wonder the Orthodox have no interest in swimming the river when you have people who wax lyrical about the papacy but also think it's been vacant for 60 years, then start making stuff up about the praxis of those Easterns who've decided to stay loyal to Rome.The Eastern schism has been going on for about 1000 years; their reluctance to cross the Tiber has nothing to do with yours truly posting on a small trad forum with only a few readers.
QuoteIt's also hardly surprising as to why so many Eastern Catholics feel abused and abandoned by Romans and would love to return home, as it were.How about the numberless Easterners that preferred martyrdom, to embracing Orthodoxy? Were they crazy? Or did they know their faith better than many modern Catholics?
QuoteLatins should get their own shitty house in order first and foremost.Absolutely; but you have to realize that the current situation in the Church is something that has not happened in its history; there is no "blueprint" for getting out of it, except waiting for a true Pope to occupy the See of Peter. Meanwhile the situation in Orthodoxy i.e. disunity, is the very essence of their rejection of a central supreme authority. There is a cure for our situation in the very constitution of the Church; their only solution is to convert to the Faith.