The Culture War has hit close to home lately. We got a dog a few months ago and I walk her every day after work. Several houses on the street put up decorations for Halloween. They're really dark, ugly skeletons, etc. It really made me realize how much "the culture" has taken over everything that is Christian/Catholic.
So today, on Facebook, I saw this post in a group that I enjoy, about expanded rules for the group. Look at number 7.
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I/we have allowed our Catholic culture to be taken away from us. When I leave the group I'll explain (calmly, hopefully) why I can no longer remain in the group.
Quote from: Lynne on November 20, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
When I leave the group I'll explain (calmly, hopefully) why I can no longer remain in the group.
Or the alternative... :laugh:
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 20, 2021, 07:24:46 PM
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
Yup. I participate on a forum made up of audiophiles talking about equipment and music.
We actually concentrate on discussing what we were supposed to have come there for in the first place. I love the rule.
And I don't care if I get advice on some subject from a liberal.
Oh, and might I add that making a stink about your rule number 7 is hardly firing a shot in the culture war.
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 20, 2021, 07:24:46 PM
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
It's art, I wouldn't care, especially if it was beautifully done.
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 20, 2021, 07:24:46 PM
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
I grew up in Skokie, a Jewish and European village North of Chicago during the 60s. We sang holiday songs together and displayed Christian and Jewish art side by side. Nobody complained. Nobody was offended. Nobody sued. We were happy 😊 and I cannot recall anybody calling for a stifling of expression of both cultures. Why can't the nation be like that again? It isn't unreasonable.
Quote from: lauermar on November 22, 2021, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 20, 2021, 07:24:46 PM
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
I grew up in Skokie, a Jewish and European village North of Chicago during the 60s. We sang holiday songs together and displayed Christian and Jewish art side by side. Nobody complained. Nobody was offended. Nobody sued. We were happy 😊 and I cannot recall anybody calling for a stifling of expression of both cultures. Why can't the nation be like that again? It isn't unreasonable.
Why do you want Synagogue of Satan art displayed?
Quote from: lauermar on November 22, 2021, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 20, 2021, 07:24:46 PM
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
I grew up in Skokie, a Jewish and European village North of Chicago during the 60s. We sang holiday songs together and displayed Christian and Jewish art side by side. Nobody complained. Nobody was offended. Nobody sued. We were happy 😊 and I cannot recall anybody calling for a stifling of expression of both cultures. Why can't the nation be like that again? It isn't unreasonable.
Great. I grew up not far from you and we also included Jewish songs in our Christmas production. I remember loving participating in it and we got to do it twice at our school. As 2nd graders and 5th graders. Everyone else in the school was part of the audience. Now I suppose every grade would have to participate and it would be a mess. In other words it was ordered correctly as something to look forward to when you were in one of those grades. But I digress.
My mother had the good sense to know that Jewish songs for their festival of lights were infiltration. There was no place for them at all.
Hannukah was always a very minor holiday and it is more anti-Christmas, which is to say anti-Christian, than it is pro Jewish.
Bringing these songs into our production seemed harmless. But I am pretty sure we wouldn't have transgender story time today if someone told them to back off and tell them to sing these songs in their Temple or at their Jewish school.
I don't remember singing one song about Jesus. Most songs were holiday like Frosty, etc. But the Dreidal song was actual ethnic custom by the Jews. They made dreidels out of clay. Much like God made Adam. It is really incredible.
This was right after the Jews managed to get prayer out of public schools.
It was offensive.
Quote from: lauermar on November 22, 2021, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 20, 2021, 07:24:46 PM
I think the rule is reasonable for a non-religious group. It prevent conflict. What would you do if people started posting Jewish and Muslim art?
I grew up in Skokie, a Jewish and European village North of Chicago during the 60s. We sang holiday songs together and displayed Christian and Jewish art side by side. Nobody complained. Nobody was offended. Nobody sued. We were happy 😊 and I cannot recall anybody calling for a stifling of expression of both cultures. Why can't the nation be like that again? It isn't unreasonable.
Not everybody was happy. I've read comments from elderly Jrws from that era who are still angry about it.
The problem with singing Jewish songs is that what is now the Jewish religion is a result of the rejection of a part of the Jewish people of their Messiah: Our Lord Jesus Christ, and of their religion; substituted for the Talmudic religion of the Rabbi's. The singing of the Jewish songs (as well as the observance of their ceremonies) is an act of rejection of Our Lord as the Messiah already come, in the name of an expected false Messiah (the Anti-Christ), to come.
I agree, Michael. I grew up in a place heavily populated by Orthodox Jews, and they are so different. I will always be grateful for the old school Jewish Mothers who loved me and mothered me when I had no adult supervision. The talmudic, Eastern Star people which emerged later were an entirely different type of people, IMO.
Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 26, 2021, 10:34:17 AM
I agree, Michael. I grew up in a place heavily populated by Orthodox Jews, and they are so different. I will always be grateful for the old school Jewish Mothers who loved me and mothered me when I had no adult supervision. The talmudic, Eastern Star people which emerged later were an entirely different type of people, IMO.
Do Orthodox Jews not follow the talmud?
I don't know, they were totally more humble, and shunned by the Reformed Jews. Also, in those days were more kids whose parents had escaped Poland and Russia or had tattoos from the camps. The Orthodox didn't use cars, changed out their kitchen every Friday,went to Shull, wore yarmulka and little ringlets, and didn't hate Catholics. As soon as the Reformed kids started going to the Eastern Star, they became different people.
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on November 26, 2021, 10:53:09 AM
Do Orthodox Jews not follow the talmud?
Even moreso than the more common secularized Jews.
Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 26, 2021, 09:06:57 AM
The problem with singing Jewish songs is that what is now the Jewish religion is a result of the rejection of a part of the Jewish people of their Messiah: Our Lord Jesus Christ, and of their religion; substituted for the Talmudic religion of the Rabbi's. The singing of the Jewish songs (as well as the observance of their ceremonies) is an act of rejection of Our Lord as the Messiah already come, in the name of an expected false Messiah (the Anti-Christ), to come.
This is exactly right.
Quote from: Innocent Smith on November 23, 2021, 10:35:46 AM
I don't remember singing one song about Jesus. Most songs were holiday like Frosty, etc. But the Dreidal song was actual ethnic custom by the Jews.
The dreidel game is a gambling game similar to gambling with dice, traditionally played at Hannukah. The "Dreidel Song" has minimal religious significance and is much more like Frosty the Snowman than a religious song. It is still problematic when sung by Christians since it tends to be part of signalling how "tolerant" and "inclusive" one is.
The Orthodox Jews might be nicer or the Reform Jews might be nastier or vice-versa; it's a question of the truth or falsehood of their religion. We should try to be kind to both and pray for their conversion. Not encourage them in their false religion or in the idea that all religions are good and man can save his soul in the practice of any religion.
QuoteI grew up in Skokie,
My uncles were in some sort of parade up there when I was a kid. Kind of strange as they were not the type to like jews.
Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 26, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
I don't know, they were totally more humble, and shunned by the Reformed Jews. Also, in those days were more kids whose parents had escaped Poland and Russia or had tattoos from the camps. The Orthodox didn't use cars, changed out their kitchen every Friday,went to Shull, wore yarmulka and little ringlets, and didn't hate Catholics. As soon as the Reformed kids started going to the Eastern Star, they became different people.
This just makes it easier to ignore how offensive their religion truly is, unfortunately.
Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 26, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
I don't know, they were totally more humble, and shunned by the Reformed Jews. Also, in those days were more kids whose parents had escaped Poland and Russia or had tattoos from the camps. The Orthodox didn't use cars, changed out their kitchen every Friday,went to Shull, wore yarmulka and little ringlets, and didn't hate Catholics. As soon as the Reformed kids started going to the Eastern Star, they became different people.
They do all those things in the bolded section because they are following the Talmud, a collection of religious writings compiled in reaction to and in opposition to Christianity. All Judaism since the time of Christ is literally an anti-Christian religion
Quote from: Jayne on November 26, 2021, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 26, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
I don't know, they were totally more humble, and shunned by the Reformed Jews. Also, in those days were more kids whose parents had escaped Poland and Russia or had tattoos from the camps. The Orthodox didn't use cars, changed out their kitchen every Friday,went to Shull, wore yarmulka and little ringlets, and didn't hate Catholics. As soon as the Reformed kids started going to the Eastern Star, they became different people.
They do all those things in the bolded section because they are following the Talmud, a collection of religious writings compiled in reaction to and in opposition to Christianity. All Judaism since the time of Christ is literally an anti-Christian religion
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
The term is a misuse of the English language, designed to create confusion rather than to communicate. Simply calling it an oxymoron is not strong enough.
Quote from: Jayne on November 26, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
The term is a misuse of the English language, designed to create confusion rather than to communicate. Simply calling it an oxymoron is not strong enough.
I'm glad you said that. When I say as much to members of my family I get called an anti-semite (
edit: or at least it is heavily implied).
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: Jayne on November 26, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
The term is a misuse of the English language, designed to create confusion rather than to communicate. Simply calling it an oxymoron is not strong enough.
I'm glad you said that. When I say as much to members of my family I get called an anti-semite (edit: or at least it is heavily implied).
The word "anti-semite" is also a misuse of the English language.
Quote from: Jayne on November 26, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: Jayne on November 26, 2021, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
The term is a misuse of the English language, designed to create confusion rather than to communicate. Simply calling it an oxymoron is not strong enough.
I'm glad you said that. When I say as much to members of my family I get called an anti-semite (edit: or at least it is heavily implied).
The word "anti-semite" is also a misuse of the English language.
Agree 100%.
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Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
It is not merely oxymoronic. It is full-on moronic.
Galatians 2:16: "But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified."
Modernists often misuse this verse to promote the error of antinomialism and to rationalize their disobedience to Christian moral law. But, in fact, this verse condemns the talmudic religion.
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on November 26, 2021, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: clau clau on November 26, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
So I guess Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron then ?
It is not merely oxymoronic. It is full-on moronic.
Now that is strong enough.
The West was built on three pillars:
The Catholic Faith
Roman law
Greek philosophy.
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I guess not a fan of Nostra aetate then ? </s>
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on November 26, 2021, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 26, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
I don't know, they were totally more humble, and shunned by the Reformed Jews. Also, in those days were more kids whose parents had escaped Poland and Russia or had tattoos from the camps. The Orthodox didn't use cars, changed out their kitchen every Friday,went to Shull, wore yarmulka and little ringlets, and didn't hate Catholics. As soon as the Reformed kids started going to the Eastern Star, they became different people.
This just makes it easier to ignore how offensive their religion truly is, unfortunately.
Not in my case, thank God. By 7th grade it was obvious.
But isn't there a list somewhere of some impressive amount of popular Christmas songs composed and produced by Jews?
QuoteBut isn't there a list somewhere of some impressive amount of popular secular Christmas songs composed and produced by Jews?
FIFY. Part of the plan to dechristianize the West.
Quote from: james03 on November 26, 2021, 02:52:58 PM
QuoteBut isn't there a list somewhere of some impressive amount of popular secular Christmas songs composed and produced by Jews?
FIFY. Part of the plan to dechristianize the West.
What is a Christmas song without Christ?
It's like humming the tune of "Happy Birthday" but without any words or any recognition of the guest of honor.
Quote from: james03 on November 26, 2021, 02:52:58 PM
QuoteBut isn't there a list somewhere of some impressive amount of popular secular Christmas songs composed and produced by Jews?
FIFY. Part of the plan to dechristianize the West.
And they have won, in most houses there isn't a single reference to Christ, there is a Christmas tree, Santa Claus, various ornaments, but nothing that refers to the Birth of Christ. And that with people who call themselves "cultural Catholic".
I don't see badly the existence of that kind of thing, but if the emphasis is on this and not on Christ, that's a bad thing.