Did Communism ever die?

Started by FamilyRosary, December 25, 2020, 10:09:23 PM

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FamilyRosary

I know this is mostly preaching to the choir, but I just wanted to post this well-written article from LifeSiteNews on how the West seemingly fell asleep to the Communist threat after the fall of the Soviet Union and how the communists have succeeded in infiltrating and perverting all of our institutions according to a plan they had worked out decades ago, and all with the complicity of our own elites.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/did-communism-ever-die-our-current-crisis-in-light-of-our-lady-of-fatima

Suddenly, we realize how China has been influencing the affairs of the West by way of party members working in Western companies, but also the news that China might have been involved in the current election fraud shook many of us. We suddenly woke up to the reality of a strong and strategic Communist presence in the West.

Already in 1993, President Bill Clinton proposed a policy of "constructive engagement" with China, and in 2000, the same president granted China permanent normal trade relations with the United States and paving the way for China to join the World Trade Organization in 2001.

National borders are falling, all nations are getting interconnected. Where did this sudden change come from? Who came up with the idea, shortly after the perceived fall of Communism, that we need to break national borders apart?

...there was another strange phenomenon: the United Nations came up with the Agenda 21.

On top of all of this, there suddenly also emerged the LGBT agenda. Where did it come from? When did it emerge?

The author, a native of West Germany, does a good job of tying all these threads together and showing them in the light of the predicitons of Our Lady at Fatima.
The family that prays together stays together.

Innocent Smith

#1
Thank you for posting this article here.  Mrs. Hickson's ideas are so beautiful and so on target that I really don't want to mar it by commenting on LSN. 

So here is my first wisecrack, bounded in truth of course. 

The reason Trump could not, or would not, build a Wall was due to The New Great Wall erected right between the two Camps of the Uni, read Communist, Party which eventually infiltrates to the shoe shine boys and dishwashers.  The name of that Great Wall is, ready for it?  Wal-Mart.  Yet, so-called Conservatives just love to shop there buying cheap Chinese goods.  It's a great way to stretch a dollar since wages have been going down since the 1970's. 

So brilliant.  This was the Peace Dividend Boy Clinton was talking about. 

That really wasn't a wisecrack, but again, it's hackneyed. 

Mrs. Hickson found the perfect argument to avoid this monstrous vaccine.  It's known as Religious Liberty in not wanting to put genetic material of aborted babies into our veins.

The Communists were always the Oligarchs.  The Bankers.  There children have two lines in the waters.  One to be employed by firms producing bullets and bombs and sometimes theses same drift in and out of the banking world.  The other line is to agitate the proles into hating the employers who still pay their salary. 

This article is as important as the Introduction in Witness written by Whittaker Chambers. 

It's time to Exhume McCarthy. 

Maybe certain maps and legends have been misunderstood. 
I am going to hold a pistol to the head of the modern man. But I shall not use it to kill him, only to bring him to life.

GiftOfGod

Yes, communism is dead except in North Korea and maybe Cuba. It failed so spectacularly that it will never rear its ugly head again. Countries like China and Vietnam are CINO: Communist In Name Only. Leftism is alive and well, though.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Graham


Michael Wilson

#4
It was William Buckley Jr. Who famously quipped: "No one believes in Communism anymore, except in the faculties of American Universities".
Communism never died; and by all the votes that Mr. Bernie Sanders received in the primaries, there are plenty of people who still believe in it, despite its failure wherever its been in power.
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

james03

QuoteLeftism is alive and well, though.
I have to generally agree with this only noting that Communism WAS Leftism in it's day.  Leftism is also present in socialism and fascism.  The leftists, except Chavez, figured out that communism and socialism were bad for business because you eliminated the scapegoats of private enterprise.  An example: Suppose uncle Joe becomes president and shuts down drilling and shuts off the DAPL pipeline.  Gasoline prices would go over $4/gallon.  Because the USA is fascist, he'd still have the scapegoats.  You'd see the media post articles about how evil energy companies are and that they are gouging people.  Another example: Obamacare.  You got to keep your "private" health plan, and when your premiums doubled, there was a bunch of agitprop against evil insurance companies.

The Left changed tactics and went with the Cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt School and have abandoned the idea of the good ole worker rising up.  And if Uncle Joe becomes President, they will have achieved victory.

Leftism is made up of various elements:
1.  Hatred of Christ.
2.  Insecure / Inadequate people who want "they" to take care of themselves.  "They" need to provide free health care.  "They" need to bail us out of student loans.  This element is the canon fodder.
3.  Envy.
4.  An elite core of Christ haters that want to enslave the sheep.
"But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God (Jn 3:18)."

"All sorrow leads to the foot of the Cross.  Weep for your sins."

"Although He should kill me, I will trust in Him"

King Wenceslas

#6
Of course communism has died don't you know.

QuoteCommunist Party General Secretary Xi Jinping, the current president of China, affirmed his adherence to the "theory" of Marxism-Leninism in his January 5, 2013 speech before the National People's Congress, when he said: "It is Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought that guided the Chinese people out of the darkness of that long night and established a new China...." Xi warned against abandoning Marxism-Leninism. He pointed to the mistaken reforms of Gorbachev, which rendered the Soviet Communist Party dysfunctional. China must not flirt with such reforms, he warned, quoting an ancient Chinese saying to the effect that erasing the past effectively erases a people. Any repudiation of Marxism-Leninism, he added, is "historical nihilism."

Xi Jinping is a militant communist. The West is confused, said Xi, if they mistake the CCP leadership for capitalists. He quoted Deng Xiaoping: "Mao Zedong thought cannot be discarded. Throwing this banner out negates the glorious history of our party." Xi then said, "This is the vision of a great Marxist politician."

Western experts are often dismissive of such statements. They do not grasp the tactical flexibility and pragmatism of Marxism-Leninism. They mistake the rigid determination of the communist for rigid dogmatism. It was none other than Stalin himself who explained, in his Foundations of Leninism, that every idea must be tested. If an idea proves faulty, a proper Marxist discards it. Marxism (i.e. Communism) is not about ideological slogans. It is about the seizing of power. In this context, Stalin wrote:

This is why Lenin said that 'revolutionary theory is not a dogma,' that it assumes final shape only in close connection with the practical activity of a truly mass and truly revolutionary movement.

The incredible freedom in the West is what the Marxist/Leninist/Communist rely on for the conquest of the world.

The Chicoms have infiltrated with their money everywhere in the US. One day they will spring the trap and we will become their slaves if we don't turn back.

A partial payout for their investment was seen throughout 2020: The virus from Wuhan, paid off MSM, Biden, McConnell, Pelosi, Antifa, BLM, riots, the explosion in Nashville, the election. Much more is coming in 2021.

One day a Chinese invasion fleet will show up off the West coast; you can bet on it. Vancouver (B.C.), Portland and Seattle will get what's coming to them then. Lets pray that Missoula and Billings don't get it also.

james03

Good point.  China is a huge problem.  It's the Red Dragon.  And China still officially believes in the Marxist/Socialist crap. 

However China is more fascist in practice.  Or perhaps it is Communism full of corruption.  In theory you don't have Chinese billionaires in Chinese communism, and yet there they are.  And you don't have private housing under communism, but we all know about China's real estate bubble. 

Communism will always become endemically corrupt.  So is China just a corrupt State?  Do they believe the theories and only allow the free market as a temporary measure?  That's plausible.  Or are they fascist oligarchs just mouthing the communist line like the democrats talk about the Constitution?  The latter is my view.
"But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God (Jn 3:18)."

"All sorrow leads to the foot of the Cross.  Weep for your sins."

"Although He should kill me, I will trust in Him"

GiftOfGod

Quote from: Michael Wilson on December 26, 2020, 12:13:33 PM
Communism never died; and by all the votes that Mr. Bernie Sanders received in the primaries, there are plenty of people who still believe in it, despite its failure wherever its been in power.

If you believe that Bernie Sanders is a communist, then you are dumber than his supporters. Economically he's no further to the left than FDR or Harry S. Truman (the latter of which was a leading anti-communist).


Quote from: james03 on December 26, 2020, 01:04:45 PM
QuoteLeftism is alive and well, though.
I have to generally agree with this only noting that Communism WAS Leftism in it's day.

Communism is a leftist ideology, yes (nobody denied this), but if you're saying that communism and leftism are the same things then you're off by a mile. There were plenty of leftist political parties when communism had its heyday. Socialists (known in UK-related countries as "Labour"), Social Democrats, Liberals, etc.


Quote from: King Wenceslas on December 26, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Of course communism has died don't you know.

King Smartas, if you knew anything about the Communism or the PRC, then you would know that the PRC is "communist in name only". Xi talks highly of Marxist-Leninism but nothing in that ideology allows for accumulated private wealth and private enterprise on the scale found in the PRC. Do you really think that Marx, Lenin, Stalin, or Mao would have permitted the proletariat to be whored-out to make Apple products for the Western bourgeoisie? Would they permit Jack Ma to do an IPO on Alibaba? I think that the PRC is keeping its communist hat just as a way to keep tight control of China and is letting capitalism flourish because otherwise they would be more backwards and poor than they are now (not to mention with an angry population). Many Eastern societies are inherently autocratic. China is one of them, Korea is another (although ROK has been democratizing in recent decades), and the best example is Russia. Russians want a dictator; it doesn't matter much if he is Tsar, Priemer, or President.

Xi is also a politician who needs the support of the politburo so of course he's going to sing praises. Not unlike a Republican President who sings praises of the need to stop runaway government spending.

DON'T LOOK AT THEIR WORDS; LOOK AT THEIR ACTIONS.

Just like how you can't look at Trump catching-and-releasing more illegal aliens than ever before into US cities (to never be found again) and honestly claim that he's "tough on immigration", you can't look at the public existence of billionaires in the PRC and honestly claim that the PRC is "communist". Xi and Trump and politicians and therefore liars. And since communists and the Chinese are notoriously dishonest, why would you believe them at their word anyway?

Quote from: james03 on December 26, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Communism will always become endemically corrupt.  So is China just a corrupt State?  Do they believe the theories and only allow the free market as a temporary measure?  That's plausible.  Or are they fascist oligarchs just mouthing the communist line like the democrats talk about the Constitution?  The latter is my view.

China has always been corrupt by Western standards, even before Mao took over. And get off your high horse on the free market. Without laws and regulation, the "free market" would have bribery everywhere. Bribery knows no ideology; it is greed pure and simple.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Michael Wilson


https://www.iowastatedaily.com/opinion/opinion-letter-to-the-editor-bernie-sanders-has-communist-ideology-jacob-pickering-cuba-russia-soviet-union-israel/article_29ce6478-42e8-11ea-8960-7351dabe5d7c.html
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Bernie Sanders is on the record, but even more importantly, ON VIDEOTAPE (from Aug. 8, 1985, and June 13, 1988,) uncritically publicly praising the so-called virtues of communist dictatorships in Cuba under Fidel Castro, in Nicaragua under Daniel Ortega and in the Soviet Union under totalitarian tyranny.

Sanders and his second wife Jane spent their 1988 marital honeymoon in the Soviet Union. Why would Bernie Sanders, of all places on this planet, actually voluntarily pick the Soviet Union as the destination for their honeymoon? (Were all of the available hotel rooms in Cuba, Nicaragua, and North Korea already booked in 1988?)

From the numerous communal kibbutzim in Israel that Bernie Sanders could have chosen from in 1963, why would Sanders have voluntarily joined Kibbutz Sha'ar Ha'amakim, whose founder Aharon Cohen was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union?

According to the Feb. 9, 2016, edition of The Times of Israel, "The kibbutz belonged to the Israeli political party Mapam, which in the 1950s had been a communist, Soviet-affiliated faction.  Kibbutz members had admired Joseph Stalin until his death, and they would celebrate May Day with red flags."
Not a Communist; O.K. But certainly a "Communist sympathizer" or as the Communist would term them: "Useful Idiot".

"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

GiftOfGod

Quote from: Michael Wilson on December 26, 2020, 05:39:09 PM

https://www.iowastatedaily.com/opinion/opinion-letter-to-the-editor-bernie-sanders-has-communist-ideology-jacob-pickering-cuba-russia-soviet-union-israel/article_29ce6478-42e8-11ea-8960-7351dabe5d7c.html
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Bernie Sanders is on the record, but even more importantly, ON VIDEOTAPE (from Aug. 8, 1985, and June 13, 1988,) uncritically publicly praising the so-called virtues of communist dictatorships in Cuba under Fidel Castro, in Nicaragua under Daniel Ortega and in the Soviet Union under totalitarian tyranny.

Sanders and his second wife Jane spent their 1988 marital honeymoon in the Soviet Union. Why would Bernie Sanders, of all places on this planet, actually voluntarily pick the Soviet Union as the destination for their honeymoon? (Were all of the available hotel rooms in Cuba, Nicaragua, and North Korea already booked in 1988?)

From the numerous communal kibbutzim in Israel that Bernie Sanders could have chosen from in 1963, why would Sanders have voluntarily joined Kibbutz Sha'ar Ha'amakim, whose founder Aharon Cohen was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union?

According to the Feb. 9, 2016, edition of The Times of Israel, "The kibbutz belonged to the Israeli political party Mapam, which in the 1950s had been a communist, Soviet-affiliated faction.  Kibbutz members had admired Joseph Stalin until his death, and they would celebrate May Day with red flags."
Not a Communist; O.K. But certainly a "Communist sympathizer" or as the Communist would term them: "Useful Idiot".

Absolutely. He actually was a communist in the 1970s with there being some public evidence that he was a member of a Trotskyist party. For some reason, his opponents never used that card. It would have been effective since he is not open about it. It's highly unusual in the USA to have ever been a communist. It's par for the course in Europe, with many modern politicians having toyed with such radicalism in their youth.

Sanders, like all politicians, tempered his beliefs as far as he could so that they can be palatable enough to get him elected. His 2016 and 2020 campaigns do not indicate communism and even then he couldn't get elected. I think his major mistake was calling himself a socialist and his policies socialism. Had he just said that he wanted to complete FDR's dream, he might have been elected President.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Michael Wilson

Bernie's praises for Communist governments and other sayings:


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"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

Michael Wilson

Has Bernie ever apologized for his praise of Communists regimes?
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

GiftOfGod

Quote from: Michael Wilson on December 26, 2020, 06:04:31 PM
Has Bernie ever apologized for his praise of Communists regimes?

Don't know; don't care. I never voted for him in a general election and probably never would.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Prayerful

Quote from: Michael Wilson on December 26, 2020, 12:13:33 PM
It was William Buckley Jr. Who famously quipped: "No one believes in Communism anymore, except in the faculties of American Universities".
Communism never died; and by all the votes that Mr. Bernie Sanders received in the primaries, there are plenty of people who still believe in it, despite its failure wherever its been in power.

It evolved. One direction is Managerial Dictatorship seen in PRC and south east Asia, and the the other is wokeness, as seen in so many colleges, and espoused by so many corporations. I wonder if there is a connection. The Chicoms wouldn't tolerate it for a moment, but they might have worked out who to fund in order to feed that deranged culture.
Padre Pio: Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.