Can a transgender person be married in the Catholic Church?

Started by AlNg, March 15, 2023, 06:06:44 PM

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AlNg

The topic has come up of whether or not in a Catholic school a biological male should be using the girls' bathrooms. A Baptist student said no, and the Roman Catholic authorities at the school had him suspended and arrested. I don't know if he had to serve jail time. There is a further question about whether or not a transgender person could get married in the Catholic church? I suppose a transgender person could attempt a marriage with a male, a female or another transgender person?

CatholicStudyAttempt

 A transgender person shouldn't be married or in a relationship. They should deal with their mental illness first.

drummerboy

Maybe in Germany in a few years, after all they're moving towards same sex unions.
"If we would escape the pains of hell and reach eternal life, then must we - while there is still time - hasten to do now what may profit us for eternity" - Rule of St. Benedict

- I'll get with the times when the times are worth getting with

CatholicStudyAttempt

Quote from: drummerboy on March 15, 2023, 08:27:11 PMMaybe in Germany in a few years, after all they're moving towards same sex unions.
It's funny, isn't it, how people would be grossed out if you sneezed on them, but that the promiscuous let a bunch of people do something even less hygienic? Is "love" or "sexy" a disinfectant?

benedicite

Quote from: drummerboy on March 15, 2023, 08:27:11 PMMaybe in Germany in a few years, after all they're moving towards same sex unions.

The only way that that type of relationship could have any legitimacy would be if it included a perpetual promise/vow of perpetual chastity.   

drummerboy

Quote from: benedicite on March 15, 2023, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 15, 2023, 08:27:11 PMMaybe in Germany in a few years, after all they're moving towards same sex unions.

The only way that that type of relationship could have any legitimacy would be if it included a perpetual promise/vow of perpetual chastity. 

And yet for those with same sex attraction, to do as much would be to place oneself in a near occasion of grave sin, something the Church can never "bless."
"If we would escape the pains of hell and reach eternal life, then must we - while there is still time - hasten to do now what may profit us for eternity" - Rule of St. Benedict

- I'll get with the times when the times are worth getting with

EastWest7

No. There are two genders. However, there are a multiplicity of personality disorders.

TheSaintsAreComing

#7
I think one reason that a marriage might have been invalid is that one of the parties was not mentally competent at the wedding

Does transexualism impair one's reason? In an obvious way, yes since a transexual person has a faulty belief about his or her sex. But I think they are still enough mentally competent to contract a marriage

And of course the marriage has to fulfill all other criterias that's required for a marriage to be valid - as such, a woman believing herself to be a man can't marry a woman, but can marry a man

But if it's expedient to let transexuals marry is another question
Seems no matter how I try
I realize there's no reply

clau clau

If all the world was apple-pie,
And all the sea was ink,
And all the trees were bread and cheese,
What should we have for drink?
It's enough to have an old man
Scratch his head and think
Father time has an undefeated record.

But when he's dumb and no more here,
Nineteen hundred years or near,
Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
(https://completeandunabridged.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-claudius.html)

TradGranny

Of course not. Mentally ill people cannot enter into a sacramental Marriage. Why even ask such an offensive question? (offensive to God who created Holy Matrimony.)
To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
Saint Teresa of Avila

Bernadette

Actually, some mentally ill people can enter into a sacramental marriage.
My Lord and my God.

Jmartyr

Quote from: Bernadette on March 17, 2023, 03:35:27 PMActually, some mentally ill people can enter into a sacramental marriage.
Just not those people.
"If anyone is excommunicated it is not I, but the excommunicators." - Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
" A false church cannot have a true mission." - St. Francis De Sales
" The way is open for us to deprive councils of their authority contradict their acts freely and profess confidently whatever SEEMS to be true. " - Martin Luther

clau clau

Here is some more nonsense ...

The Courtship of the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo
Edward Lear - 1812-1888


On the Coast of Coromandel
   Where the early pumpkins blow,
      In the middle of the woods
   Lived the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
Two old chairs, and half a candle,
One old jug without a handle--
      These were all his worldly goods,
      In the middle of the woods,
      These were all his worldly goods,
   Of the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo,
   Of the Yonghy-Bonghy Bo.

Once, among the Bong-trees walking
   Where the early pumpkins blow,
      To a little heap of stones
   Came the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
There he heard a Lady talking,
To some milk-white Hens of Dorking--
      "'Tis the Lady Jingly Jones!
      On that little heap of stones
      Sits the Lady Jingly Jones!"
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo,
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.

"Lady Jingly! Lady Jingly!
   Sitting where the pumpkins blow,
      Will you come and be my wife?"
   Said the Yongby-Bonghy-Bo.
"I am tired of living singly--
On this coast so wild and shingly--
      I'm a-weary of my life;
      If you'll come and be my wife,
      Quite serene would be my life!"
   Said the Yonghy-Bongby-Bo,
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.

"On this Coast of Coromandel
   Shrimps and watercresses grow,
      Prawns are plentiful and cheap,"
Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
"You shall have my chairs and candle,
And my jug without a handle!
      Gaze upon the rolling deep
      (Fish is plentiful and cheap);
      As the sea, my love is deep!"
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo,
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.

Lady Jingly answered sadly,
   And her tears began to flow--
      "Your proposal comes too late,
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!
I would be your wife most gladly!"
(Here she twirled her fingers madly)
      "But in England I've a mate!
      Yes! you've asked me far too late,
      For in England I've a mate,
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!
   Mr. Yongby-Bonghy-Bo!

"Mr. Jones (his name is Handel--
   Handel Jones, Esquire, & Co.)
      Dorking fowls delights to send
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!
Keep, oh, keep your chairs and candle,
And your jug without a handle--
      I can merely be your friend!
      Should my Jones more Dorkings send,
      I will give you three, my friend!
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!

"Though you've such a tiny body,
   And your head so large doth grow--
      Though your hat may blow away
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!
Though you're such a Hoddy Doddy,
Yet I wish that I could modi-
      fy the words I needs must say!
      will you please to go away
      That is all I have to say,
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!
   Mr. Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo!"

Down the slippery slopes of Myrtle,
   Where the early pumpkins blow,
      To the calm and silent sea
   Fled the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
There, beyond the Bay of Gurtle,
Lay a large and lively Turtle.
      "You're the Cove," he said, "for me;
      On your back beyond the sea,
      Turtle, you shall carry me!"
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo,
   Said the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.

Through the silent-roaring ocean
   Did the Turtle swiftly go;
      Holding fast upon his shell
   Rode the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
With a sad primeval motion
Towards the sunset isles of Boshen
      Still the Turtle bore him well.
      Holding fast upon his shell,
      "Lady Jingly Jones, farewell!"
   Sang the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo,
   Sang the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.

From the Coast of Coromandel
   Did that Lady never go;
      On that heap of stones she mourns
   For the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
On that Coast of Coromandel,
In his jug without a handle
      Still she weeps, and daily moans;
      On that little heap of stones
      To her Dorking Hens she moans,
   For the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo,
   For the Yonghy-Bonghy-Bo.
Father time has an undefeated record.

But when he's dumb and no more here,
Nineteen hundred years or near,
Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
(https://completeandunabridged.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-claudius.html)

OCLittleFlower

Quote from: AlNg on March 15, 2023, 06:06:44 PMThe topic has come up of whether or not in a Catholic school a biological male should be using the girls' bathrooms. A Baptist student said no, and the Roman Catholic authorities at the school had him suspended and arrested.

Sounds like a Catholic in name only sort of modernist institution...something we have to be very careful of when it comes time to choose a school.
-- currently writing a Trad romance entitled Flirting with Sedevacantism --

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Julio

Quote from: TradGranny on March 17, 2023, 03:16:08 PMOf course not. Mentally ill people cannot enter into a sacramental Marriage. Why even ask such an offensive question? (offensive to God who created Holy Matrimony.)
You posted on the video of Fr. Ripperger. In many of his videos he stated that what makes as human is our soul. Truly, our soul that's given to us by God must never be inconsistent to our body as man or woman. Hence, any changes made on our body the way it is done on these transgenders is offensive to God. It is inconsistent to the way God created us.