Sin Wounding the soul

Started by verenaerin, July 20, 2016, 10:16:25 AM

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verenaerin

St. Bernard talk about this. Is there a book about this?

Can someone explain this a little, in relation to the idea of "cheap grace"?

Jayne

Would this idea be related to what St. Thomas wrote in the Summa about sin diminishing the good of human nature.  It's in this section here: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2085.htm

He says things like "the natural inclination to virtue is diminished by sin." And this passage seems to be explicitly about wounds to the soul:
QuoteAgain, there are four of the soul's powers that can be subject of virtue, as stated above (Question 61, Article 2), viz. the reason, where prudence resides, the will, where justice is, the irascible, the subject of fortitude, and the concupiscible, the subject of temperance. Therefore in so far as the reason is deprived of its order to the true, there is the wound of ignorance; in so far as the will is deprived of its order of good, there is the wound of malice; in so far as the irascible is deprived of its order to the arduous, there is the wound of weakness; and in so far as the concupiscible is deprived of its order to the delectable, moderated by reason, there is the wound of concupiscence.

Accordingly these are the four wounds inflicted on the whole of human nature as a result of our first parent's sin. But since the inclination to the good of virtue is diminished in each individual on account of actual sin, as was explained above (Question 1, Article 2), these four wounds are also the result of other sins, in so far as, through sin, the reason is obscured, especially in practical matters, the will hardened to evil, good actions become more difficult and concupiscence more impetuous.

If I am understanding this correctly, the part I bolded describes four different ways that sin wounds the soul.

Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

verenaerin

It seems like lately, all things lead to St. Thomas! I can't get away from him.

I wonder if there is an online class I could take learning studying the Summa.


Bernadette

My Lord and my God.

Miriam_M

Adding to mine that I just copied and pasted an earlier list I had, but I should update this one because it adds a lot of philosophy that verenaerin might not need/want.

Miriam_M



Kaesekopf

Quote from: verenaerin on July 20, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
It seems like lately, all things lead to St. Thomas! I can't get away from him.

I wonder if there is an online class I could take learning studying the Summa.

The Common Doctor is the best Doctor.

From Louis's old posts on this subject:
http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=4132.msg78014#msg78014
Quote from: LouisIX on October 27, 2013, 11:43:39 PM
Are you looking for a survey of the history of western philosophy or an introduction to Catholic philosophy/ Thomistic metaphysics?

If the latter I'd recommend the following first:

Aristotle for Everybody by Mortimer J. Adler
Aquinas (A Beginner's Guide) by Edward Feser
Introduction to the Philosophy of Thomas Aquinas, Volume 4: Metaphysics by H.D. Gardeil, O.P.

I'm sure some others might have other suggestions but I think these 3 are quite helpful, especially when read in this order.  It's best, in my opinion, to start with a basic understanding of Aristotle so you can see how Thomas developed his thought.  The Gardeil book will be more accessible after getting the basics from the Adler and Feser books.

After that, if you still desire more, I think you could attempt to read Thomas himself including the Summa Theologica (the Prima Pars), Summa Contra Gentiles, and De Ente et Essentia.

I would highly recommend supplementing these texts with Garrigou-Lagrange's commentaries.


http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=5398.msg108095#msg108095
Quote from: LouisIX on January 24, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 23, 2014, 01:06:20 AM
LouisIX will recommend Adler's Aristotle for Everyone, Feser's Aquinas, and then Gardeil's...  Something long.  Volume 4, I think, on metaphysics?

All 4 of those are great. If you don't want anything too beginnerish then I can't recommend the Gardeil enough.  I'm not too familiar with the other volumes in his introduction (IV is metaphysics) but I assume they are as good as the fourth. Gardeil was a real mentor to Garrigou and other important pre-Conciliar Dominicans.

Starting with Plato is essential. You've done a good job in starting there. The Meno, Ion, Republic, and The Last Days of Socrates (including the Apology, Crito, Euthyphro, etc.) are all must reads.

After that, I wouldn't hesitate to dive into Thomas' Commentaries on Aristotle's Physics, Metaphysics, and Nicomachean Ethics.  Dumb Ox Press prints nice copies of these with both the original text from Aristotle and the commentaries from Aquinas. And there are some nice prefaces from Ralph McInerny. Highly recommended.

After that, jump into the Summa and use Garrigou-Lagrange's various commentaries (which can be found relatively cheaply on lulu.com) as a guide through the text.

After that there are a myriad of places to go depending upon what subject you're interested in.
Wie dein Sonntag, so dein Sterbetag.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.  ~Treebeard, LOTR

Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

verenaerin

I am not very smart. I don't do well with the abstract, at least from the examples given on this forum.

I am more of a practical sort. I made a good nurse because I understood the science well and saw how it worked. So out of the examples given, which one would be the "Summa for Dummies"?

There is no way I can read Aristotle and Plato and all of that. I do have children to home school, and quilts to make!

St.Justin

Quote from: verenaerin on July 20, 2016, 12:56:40 PM
I am not very smart. I don't do well with the abstract, at least from the examples given on this forum.

I am more of a practical sort. I made a good nurse because I understood the science well and saw how it worked. So out of the examples given, which one would be the "Summa for Dummies"?

There is no way I can read Aristotle and Plato and all of that. I do have children to home school, and quilts to make!

I just find a topic I am interested in an google it with Catholic after it or St. Thomas. That always works.

ludimagister

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You might find Fr Walter Farrell's A Companion to the Summa helpful. It's fairly easy to read, I think, and available on-line:

http://opcentral.org/a-companion-to-the-summa/

By the way, I hope someone can come up with more answers to your original post. It's a great question.


Miriam_M

Quote from: verenaerin on July 20, 2016, 12:56:40 PM
I am not very smart. I don't do well with the abstract, at least from the examples given on this forum.

I am more of a practical sort. I made a good nurse because I understood the science well and saw how it worked. So out of the examples given, which one would be the "Summa for Dummies"?

There is no way I can read Aristotle and Plato and all of that. I do have children to home school, and quilts to make!

I didn't suggest you read Aristotle and Plato.   ;)

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/03/aquinas-and-trent-part-3/
http://www.goodcatholicbooks.org/SummaI-II_effects-of-sin.html
http://www.catholictradition.org/Christ/happiness12.htm

verenaerin

Quote from: Miriam_M on July 20, 2016, 11:43:01 AM
Adding to mine that I just copied and pasted an earlier list I had, but I should update this one because it adds a lot of philosophy that verenaerin might not need/want.

Ha, more like, capable of understanding. I listen to sermons from Fr Ripperger a lot and he is always using St. Thomas as a basis for explaining things. So I appreciate the LM article you posted from him. I read half and will finish when screaming toddler goes to bed tonight.

Quote from: Bernadette on July 20, 2016, 11:42:01 AM
There's A Summa of the Summa https://www.amazon.com/Summa-Peter-Kreeft-ebook/dp/B004QOBAXW/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1469036462&sr=1-1&keywords=the+summa+of+the+summa#navbar  :P Haven't read it, myself.

This looks pretty good.

verenaerin

Quote from: ludimagister on July 20, 2016, 01:09:26 PM
You might find Fr Walter Farrell's A Companion to the Summa helpful. It's fairly easy to read, I think, and available on-line:

http://opcentral.org/a-companion-to-the-summa/

By the way, I hope someone can come up with more answers to your original post. It's a great question.

Cool, I will look into this as well.

I would appreciate anything you have to answer the OP