"Getting Out of Dodge"

[drummerboy]

So, not withstanding James' excellent thoughts in this post:
https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=31000.0

Let's say things get really bad in the US and we want to get ot of here.  Where's one to go?  I don't buy conservative talk radio hosts that proclaim, as though it's dogma, that the US is the last and only hope of humanity (that's Christ and His Church) and there's nowhere to go.  Assuming it's economic collapse, sodomy, and an oppressive bolshevist spy state we're fleeing, the options are limited.

Western Europe is following the same path as the US, so they're out of the question.  South America isn't much better.  As far as I see, the best options are probably east Europe and perhaps some of the former French and British colonies (such as west Africa and India-although they're completely heathen). How about some of the central European states, like Austria and Czech Republic?  I believe they've gone the way of the US as well.  And no discussion would be complete without including Russia, if even for the sake of argument, but I doubt Americans would be welcome there after our undeclared war against them. 

Discuss.

[The Curt Jester]

"Dodge" is everywhere. Why run?

[LausTibiChriste]

Good question,

Virtue dictates that we ought to take some measure to "get out of dodge" while we can, if we have the capability. But it can only go so far and be within reason. History is ripe of tribes/people etc. moving because conditions in their current place were shite.

I think you need to start by listing your priorities and what you're "getting out of dodge" from. We're all Trads here so I think easy access to solid (let's say SSPX for arguments' sake) sacraments is probably at the very top. Then comes physical safety and security for you and your family (don't want them getting shot or starving), then everything else. Ironically, this is why I'm looking to possibly move to France:
- Overrun with immigrants? Check
- Liberal, anti-Catholic d-bags in power? Check

But, more SSPX priories in one province than all of Canada. Can't beat that.

I grew up in Western Canada and almost the minute I became Catholic I realized what a spiritual shithole it is and wanted to leave. Accessibility to the sacraments notwithstanding, now that I live in old Europe, I am literally no more than a 15-minute walk from a cathedral that was consecrated years before Canada was even discovered. If you're aesthetically inclined like I am, that matters.

In another post I made recently, I mentioned I have family in Canada, southern South America and Russia. If nuclear war kicks off, you're just worried about physical survival - good luck getting to the sacraments when nukes are flying. So if I had to, I would flee to 1 of those 3 places with my wife and kids in tow - if God let me. Otherwise, we might just have to eat the fireball here and who cares really? We're Catholic, we shouldn't long for here.

As for the specific states you mentioned, Austria is cucked AF - they were throwing people in prison for not masking, forget it.

Czech was relatively calm during COVID but if you think ANY state in Europe is going to actually reject the elites' desires, good luck. The ones who seem to do so (Hungary) are controlled oppo.

Russia and any properly anti-Jewish state is your best bet. Let's all move to Iran!!!

[Greg]

I would like to visit Iran.  Very hospitable people.

[LausTibiChriste]

I would like to visit Iran.  Very hospitable people.

Agreed, they are great.

I'm starting to dabble in Farsi - beautiful language.

[OzarkCatholic]

Spouse had Italian heritage and so would qualify for citizenship.

[drummerboy]

Spouse had Italian heritage and so would qualify for citizenship.

How far back?  I looked up Czech citizenship, out of curiosity, and your parents or grandparents had to be Czech nationals (so I'm out of luck).

[drummerboy]

"Dodge" is everywhere. Why run?

 You do have a point.  And if some divine chastisement (Bishop Williamson believes it's imminent,10-15 years) comes it's likely the while world will be affected.  Still, we don't know the future and a back up plan in your back pocket never hurts.
 This post is half-serious and half- hypothetical musings.  I would like to have a country in mind so I could start studying the language.  But the biggest obstacle is my wife.  She's super attached to her family.  If it was just myself I'd be making plans to move.

[Greg]

That is a pretty major obstacle.

If she likes her family then they are an important factor in your marriage.  She probably gets a lot of value from them

[Kaesekopf]

"Dodge" is everywhere. Why run?

 You do have a point.  And if some divine chastisement (Bishop Williamson believes it's imminent,10-15 years) comes it's likely the while world will be affected.  Still, we don't know the future and a back up plan in your back pocket never hurts.
 This post is half-serious and half- hypothetical musings.  I would like to have a country in mind so I could start studying the language.  But the biggest obstacle is my wife.  She's super attached to her family.  If it was just myself I'd be making plans to move.

I've been told the ChastisementTM has been on its way for at least a decade. 

But, if the USA gets ruined/destroyed, how would you leave the country and go elsewhere?  Seems highly impractical, to be honest. 

[Michael Wilson]

a member here: Big Bad Trad, moved his family from the U.S. To South America, then to Europe (various locations) then came back here to St. Mary's; pretty much the whole world is gone to pot. Choose the best place to keep your faith and die in the state of grace if the "big bang" comes.

[drummerboy]

"Dodge" is everywhere. Why run?

 You do have a point.  And if some divine chastisement (Bishop Williamson believes it's imminent,10-15 years) comes it's likely the while world will be affected.  Still, we don't know the future and a back up plan in your back pocket never hurts.
 This post is half-serious and half- hypothetical musings.  I would like to have a country in mind so I could start studying the language.  But the biggest obstacle is my wife.  She's super attached to her family.  If it was just myself I'd be making plans to move.

I've been told the ChastisementTM has been on its way for at least a decade. 

But, if the USA gets ruined/destroyed, how would you leave the country and go elsewhere?  Seems highly impractical, to be honest. 

You may have misread me.  I concede the point you're making.  If a chastisement comes the whole world, not just the US, would likely be affected so why bother fleeing.

[drummerboy]

That is a pretty major obstacle.

If she likes her family then they are an important factor in your marriage.  She probably gets a lot of value from them

Indeed. 

[drummerboy]

I would like to visit Iran.  Very hospitable people.

This reminds of that British TV show years back called "An Idiot Abroad." The hosts (Ricky Gervais) take an English guy (Kyle Pilkington) that hates traveling and stick him in odd situations while traveling the world.

[drummerboy]

Although I should clarify, I'm not talking so much about fleeing a moral wasteland as the impending financial and societal collapse of the US.  A guy should pay attention to who joins the BRICS pact, considering the coming collapse of the dollar.