Vigano Names Names, demands Francis resign

[St.Justin]

Where the hell do you think these guys come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They're reared by you and I. They come from our own families. We are all a part of the same society. And while they are beyond disgusting, you'd be surprised at how corrupt the average guy on the street is. Any culture that murders their own children, fills the airwaves and media with pornography, launches unjust wars throughout the world; that culture is morally bankrupt and dead. It should be no surprise then that these guys are freaks. Your politicians are freaks, your neighbors are freaks, your families have freaks within them, and you just might be a freak. But they're called to a higher standard than the average guy on the street, hence the universal outrage. It is the shameless hypocrisy that is so detestable.

Oh, the "culture" argument with its claimed "collective guilt" and "moral equivalence".  BS.  THEY made the decision to commit and/or cover up crimes against children.  They, AND NO ONE ELSE, are the ones responsible for it.  The rampant pornography in our culture IS NO EXCUSE.  And the average guy in the street isn't anywhere close to being as evil as that.

This whole situation came to the fore beginning in the1960's. It infected the whole of society as well as the Church. The source is demonic. Does the "New World Order" ring a bell?

[martin88nyc]

Where the hell do you think these guys come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They're reared by you and I. They come from our own families. We are all a part of the same society. And while they are beyond disgusting, you'd be surprised at how corrupt the average guy on the street is. Any culture that murders their own children, fills the airwaves and media with pornography, launches unjust wars throughout the world; that culture is morally bankrupt and dead. It should be no surprise then that these guys are freaks. Your politicians are freaks, your neighbors are freaks, your families have freaks within them, and you just might be a freak. But they're called to a higher standard than the average guy on the street, hence the universal outrage. It is the shameless hypocrisy that is so detestable.

Oh, the "culture" argument with its claimed "collective guilt" and "moral equivalence".  BS.  THEY made the decision to commit and/or cover up crimes against children.  They, AND NO ONE ELSE, are the ones responsible for it.  The rampant pornography in our culture IS NO EXCUSE.  And the average guy in the street isn't anywhere close to being as evil as that.

Plus these perverts know very well that they will find safe haven in the Catholic Church and that they will get away with everything they do.

[PerEvangelicaDicta]

I may not be the best placed to comment on this, but reading this made me feel a pang of empathy.

I'm sorry you've been left in this position Irishcyclist. I don't know if the most recent claims are true or not, but if they are...Nobody with that much love deserves to be left in this predicament.

I had the same heart wrench when reading Irishcyclist's comment.  Your insight/empathy is very kind.

[dellery]

Burke won't save you.  Christ does.  But Burke sure as shit won't. 

"Put not your trust in princes" [of the Church].

Burke is disgraced because he gets bullied out of his position by a Modernist cabal. Wuerl and McCarrick are glorious because they can maintain their prestige while raping seminarians. Burke is a prince of the Church and as a priest represents Christ, but he lacks machismo so we can mock him.

Few in this thread could handle a macho prelate. He'd knock their teeth out with his crosier upon hearing all this protestant "vote the Pope out of office" bullshit.

[Kaesekopf]

2.7 million (almost half the island's population) came out in 1979 when Pope John Paul II was in Ireland.

Around 500,000 were estimated to be at Phoenix Park for a Mass celebrated by Francis, but less than 130,000 attended.  Not much of a "thunderous applause".

If Francis is not forced to step down because of his knowledge and cover up of the homosexual infiltration of the Church, then the next Pope will name him an anti-pope.

Ireland is radically different than 40 years ago.

[NOLIMETANGERECHRISTISVM]

Where the hell do you think these guys come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They're reared by you and I. They come from our own families. We are all a part of the same society. And while they are beyond disgusting, you'd be surprised at how corrupt the average guy on the street is. Any culture that murders their own children, fills the airwaves and media with pornography, launches unjust wars throughout the world; that culture is morally bankrupt and dead. It should be no surprise then that these guys are freaks. Your politicians are freaks, your neighbors are freaks, your families have freaks within them, and you just might be a freak. But they're called to a higher standard than the average guy on the street, hence the universal outrage. It is the shameless hypocrisy that is so detestable.

Oh, the "culture" argument with its claimed "collective guilt" and "moral equivalence".  BS.  THEY made the decision to commit and/or cover up crimes against children.  They, AND NO ONE ELSE, are the ones responsible for it.  The rampant pornography in our culture IS NO EXCUSE.  And the average guy in the street isn't anywhere close to being as evil as that.

This is what vexes me, when mental midgets come along missing the entire point. No one here is making excuses or saying these sins are anywhere equivalent. When you put words in my mouth, it shows you're an asshole. What is being said, however, is that in a just society their predilections and perversions would be flushed out, nor probably have ever even taken root, before they got anywhere close to ordination. There is a level of collective guilt for our corrupt society. Consider how you yourself have contributed to it. That doesn't excuse these scumbags. But society doesn't come to this point overnight, nor does the Church. You bitch about the media giving Francis a pass; it's because our culture has come to almost accept this behavior. You have pedophiles now pushing for acceptance. I don't see your ass doing anything but pissing and moaning. If this was a Catholic culture all these people would be out on their asses already. So yeah, you are to blame, everyone is to blame; the fact the world is in such a mess is because none of us are saints and the world is full of sinners. I'm not gonna argue further except to say, if you want to put words in my mouth, go ___ yourself. (I'll make it a little more g rated... I don't have patience for people like this anymore).

[PerEvangelicaDicta]

Tensions are riding high, my friend, and we're taking anger out on each other. 

[Xavier]

Yes, let's avoid that trap. It's right and understandable to be angry and even emotional, but let's turn those righteous emotions against the perpetrators and against complicit clergy; let's also turn our desire to do something good to stop this to prayer and other support of the good Prelates and Clerics who are still fighting the good fight within the Church. Let's also please remain firmly united in love of one another and in Faith; that is necessary for our prayers to be more efficacious and receive their response from Heaven sooner.

I support both Cardinal +Burke and the other Cardinals who signed or supported the Dubia and Archbishop +Vigano and other Bishops who are identifying the perpetrators and speaking out against their continued protection. We must pray mightily, because the reproaches against these good Bishops will now be very strong from those who belong to Evil. They will have their credibility questioned and their name slandered. Let's be ready for it, pray that God's will is done and all the evil driven out of our beloved Church, and let's not join in with the bad in slandering or reproaching the good.

Anything that may work is worth a shot. Signing Petitions. Writing letters. Organizing campaigns for resignation/removal/laicization/imprisonment. And the like. Above all, prayer and our growing in holiness will turn the tide. Let's remember how Catholics drove out Communism from some countries. Prayer from righteous Christians will drive these perverts out.

I feel for Irish Cyclist and other Irish Catholics. It must be heartrending to see for yourself that other of your countrymen are turning their back on the Faith and that the abusers are not being punished as they should be. Good Catholics should all pray for and support one another in these trying times and try to imitate St. John and Mother Mary at the foot of the Cross.

This is just me. But I think there may be a possibility Pope Francis was not validly elected. Resignation is said to be invalid if it is done under duress or misrepresentation, as well as blackmail and several other such things. Not a definitive opinion but only a speculative possibility for a future Pope to consider and for the Church to either confirm or not one day. Let's see what happens. Kyrie Eleison.

[NOLIMETANGERECHRISTISVM]

Agreed, I think people are frustrated. No need to take snipes at each other though. Also this.. lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2013/jul/29/internet-comment-flame-wars-why

[Miriam_M]

Aside from internet comments and com boxes, the secular national news itself has been broadcasting the Vigano story, in case some here were not aware of that.

[Greg]

It was markedly better pre Vatican II.  But it wasn't night and day change. The rot set in over a decade or two I expect.  The second world war probably changed people's thinking.

[John Lamb]

The Church isn't under the domination of Francis, it's under the domination of what the entire western world is subject to, namely avarice, greed, laziness and comfort seeking. People would much prefer seeking comfort than truth.

The problem is that this avarice, greed, and sloth is disguised under a mask of sentimental niceness and human respect, and, in the Catholic world, (false) obedience. If it didn't have such an attractive face it would be much easier to attack. The modern cult of Humanism has made a religion out of human respect, and that is ultimately what has made zeal for God and His Church so lukewarm. No one dares to speak up for God if it would risk offending man.

[John Lamb]

According to Holzhauser, the "seven churches" of the Apocalypse correspond to the seven ages of the Catholic Church.
He locates us currently in the fifth age of the Church, which the Apocalypse describe as the church of Sardis:

And to the angel of the church of Sardis, write: These things saith he, that hath the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know thy works, that thou hast the name of being alive: and thou art dead. Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die. For I find not thy works full before my God. Have in mind therefore in what manner thou hast received and heard: and observe, and do penance. If then thou shalt not watch, I will come to thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know at what hour I will come to thee. But thou hast a few names in Sardis, which have not defiled their garments: and they shall walk with me in white, because they are worthy. He that shall overcome, shall thus be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

I think this is an excellent description of the Church today.
Here's what the modern commentator Fr. Bernard Kramer writes about the church of Sardis in his Book of Destiny:

In contrast with the ill-fame of the Lydians, the Bishop of Sardes has a GOOD reputation. However, Christ does not judge anyone by his reputation or popularity or external works but by his conscience. Being one in substance with the Holy Spirit, Christ knows every shade of guilt in the bishop's con­ science, to wit, that though he appears to be alive and has the name of being such, he is spiritually dead. He knows him to be a very active man, who can show "works" of his activity and is no doubt very popular on account of it; nevertheless he is dead. He may have advertised his works to get a "name" for the results. Thus he may have received his reward for them and has no merits with God.

The reminder that Christ has the "seven spirits" of God may hint at the sin against the Holy Spirit in the bishop. He may have been deaf to admonitions living on in complete in­ difference, self-justification and self-confidence. That sin is founded on pride. Hypocrisy, bluff and pretense is one mani festation of it. The hyprocrite is spiritually dead and was likened by our Lord to a sepulchre full of dead men's bones and rottenness. The hypocrite tries to keep up appearances. If he makes a blunder, he will not admit a mistake but will try to cover it up or will deny having made it, no matter what in­justice he will inflict thereby. This bishop has not given way to the immoral life of the Lydians, for that sin cannot remain a secret. But the Holy Spirit has been driven out of his soul by other greater sins which are mortal in a bishop. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of life and the guide of the congregation; but because He has been quenched in the soul of the bishop, spiritual death has entered. The Holy Spirit is the sanctifier of souls but for the opposition offered, He cannot be such to this bishop. The bishop is thus not as good as his reputation, while the Lydians are probably not as bad as their ill-fame.

Expediency and diplomacy may be his special "virtues" and may have been inculcated by him in his priests and people instead of apostolic simplicity, candor and uprightness. A great Doctor of the Church says of this: 'quia ab eis haec eadem duplicitatis iniquitas, nomine palliata, diligitur, dum mentis perversitas, urbanitas vocatur" (St. Gregory, Pope, Lib. X. Cap. 16 in cap. 12 on Job). By his example, he may have encouraged in his priests pretense and sanctimonious words. Thus he may have thirsted for flattery and recognition of his "works", while he pretended to despise it. Cardinal Newman says of such: "It detests gross adulation; not that it tends at all to the eradiction of the appetite to which the flatterer ministers, but it sees the absurdity of indulging it, . . . it demands great subtlety and art in the preparation".

Perhaps he proved his resentment and malice against priests who were truthful and candid with him and abused his sacred authority to satisfy his spite and revengefulness against them or against some deacon or members of his flock. Perhaps he even misrepresented and slandered some priest and gave condemnatory judgments against him on false assumptions; or perhaps he crushed down the truth by bluff or pretense or calumniated some priest whom he disliked or crushed down any self-defense against his slanders and injustices, thereby evading his duty to uphold law and order. He may have been in the habit of deciding in matters of importance according to his whims and fancies and thrown all consistency to the winds. Or he may have readily listened to some favorite who was an evil adviser among his clergy. He may have been of Jewish blood and favored his own nationality among the clergy. Hence his works not being disinterested were mere human works. He surely did not waste his time travelling, for that entailed hardships and danger in those days.

He may have been perfected in hypocrisy to such a degree as to feel himself satisfied with having done his duty when he avoided trouble or anything disagreeable, or when from human motive he overthrew principle and law, so that there was a grave contradiction between his sanctimonious words and un­ principled example. He evidently neglected upholding the apostolic decrees, which were of prime importance in those days to safeguard the Christians from returning to superstitious practices. He would thus make concessions to avoid conflict. St. Jerome (Lib. IV. comment, in cap. 23 Mt) says of hypocritical bishops of his time "vae vobis miseris, ad quos pharisaeorum vitia transierunt".

In harmony with his character, he was obviously not a man of prayer and contemplation. He would hardly be dead from the sin of Sloth, for he has the name of being alive. But he probably practiced laxism, not appreciating zeal in his priests, chiding those who demanded the fullness of apostolic sacrifices and works of penance from the people, condemning the denuncia­tion of evils and non-observance of the laws of God and the Church and persecuting the courage to defend truth and justice. Most probably he did not labor to advance the faithful to higher spirituality but commended lax priests who were easy with the people in matters of piety and the study of their religion, so that piety and apostolic asceticism deteriorated and died. The succeeding verse suggests this. Together with this he would favor priests who cultivated his good graces and ignore or ill-treat those who faithfully did their duties and had no time for eye-service or flattery. The bishop has probably become worldly and appreciates earthly advancement above  spiritual gains and has set up false standards. Christ has taken him and the congregation out of the state of spiritual death by the call to the faith and has given His Spirit to the members, that they might be zealous for God and for their own sanctification, but they are cold and indifferent. The bishop has brought this about by his own sins, hypocrisy, worldliness and lack of fervor.

Christ gives the bishop an ominous warning. Twice during its history, the city had fallen into the hands of the enemy for want of watchfulness, and so the warning had a threatening allusion. If persecution should suddenly confront the congrega­tion it would surely fall, because its spiritual life is almost extinct. The people have not strength enough left to defend their faith or sacrifice their lives for it.

It is not enough to be vigilant and tell the people what to do; the bishop must cling to principle and strictly uphold the law and not let the people break away when they take a notion. He must revive and re-establish the faith in the whole congrega­tion, for it is at the door of death. This is a decaying branch of the Church. And as it is wherever the faith has deteriorated, it will require very arduous labor to strengthen the people again in their religion, their piety and good works and to bring them up once more to apostolic expectations. The aorist tense used in the text expresses the fact that the worst will soon be past, since the decay is not complete. Some were on the verge of spiritual death, are enlivened again and can be saved, if the bishop fulfills his pastoral duties. The "things that remain" are the members of the congregation who have retained the practices of their religion in spite of the laxism of their bishop (Prima­ sius). So there are still vestiges of spiritual life in the parish.

The bishop has earned the reputation of being alive by doing some good works, but they lacked the completeness that would make them acceptable to God; they had no spiritual quality. Works are "complete" only, when they are performed in the state of grace and with the supernatural motive and intention.

There are no Nicolaites in Sardes. This is a warning in itself. There is less danger to the faithful from heresies than from obtuseness of conscience towards neglect of serious duties. The congregations of Smyrna and Philadelphia have heresies to combat but are not in such spiritual plight as that of Sardes, where the Christians are unmolested, but where they overlook or wink at vices more dangerous than those occasioned by heresy. This has often been verified. And people and priests who come from Catholic countries are often swayed by earthly motives, hypocrisy and temporal gains. Because the bishops are blind to such things, they become national vices.

The bishop has received freely the fullness of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit gives life in abundance. He received the sublime gifts joyfully and was zealous, just and truthful after his consecration. He had been dead in sin before, was raised to life but now has fallen back into death. He has kept "what" he has received, the faith, but has not preserved the "manner" in which he received it, the alacrity and zeal that awoke in his soul at the reception of the divine gifts. Faith has not yet departed from him, but love which accompanied it has fled.

The bishop must awaken from his torpor and lethargy, be watchful and do penance to save what may still be saved, lest all follow him into death. The priest is a watchman. "If he sees the sword coming and sounds not the trumpet, and the people look not to themselves, and the sword come and cut off a soul from among them; he indeed is taken away in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at the hand of the watchman". (Ezech. XXXIII. 6-9). The soul that is lost through the neglect of the pastor bears his own responsibility, but the Judge will hold the neglectful pastor responsible likewise. If however, the pastor has warned by word and example, he will have no responsibility. The Bishop of Sardes has grown indif­ ferent about spreading the knowledge of the faith outside the fold. He must now return to his first zeal.

If he will not watch and guard against the inroads of the enemy, Christ will come stealthily and suddenly in judgment. The Greek word used alludes to the unexpected capture of the city in past centuries. It also alludes to the language used by the prophets (Jer. LI. 8; Joel II. 9) and to the warnings of our Lord (Mt. XXIV. 43; Lc. XII. 39). All this points to the approaching persecution. Those who are dead in sin will not sacrifice everything to save their souls. This admonition to watchfulness alludes to XVI. 15.

In Holy Scripture, defiled garments commonly represent the state of sin (Isa. LXIV. 6). The Greek word used for "defilement" probably points to the worship of Aphrodite and Diony­sos or perhaps only to hypocrisy and worldliness. Taking advant­age of the bishop's laxism, the people have allowed themselves every license, and very few are left who have not become defiled. Their defilement may have included the use of blood and the ignoring of the apostolic decrees in general.­

The garments are sanctifying grace received in Baptism. Elsewhere in this book, the priests wear white robes and clean linens. Those who have kept themselves undefiled in the midst of the worldliness, license and general laxism shall be reward­ ed in a befitting way by this public acknowledgment of Christ. The walking with Him possibly alludes to His travels through Palestine constantly accompanied by his disciples. Those who have not consented to the attractions of luxury and hypocrisy are worthy to be in the company of the saints. The meaning of the word "worthy" is "deserving" and is not the same as in other passages, where it is conceded only to God and the Lamb.

In conclusion three distinctions are promised those who overcome the temptations to luxury, hypocrisy and worldliness: Their investiture in white garments of unspotted sanctity, the preservation of their names in the book of life and their pre­ sentation to the Father and His angels. The promise to the faithful one in Sardes is thus extended to the whole Church.

The "Book of Life" is first mentioned in the Old Testament (Ps. LXVIII. 29; Isa. IV. 3; Dan. XII. 1). It is really eternal, and the names of the elect are written there indelibly (Apoc. XIII. 8). The entering of one's name into the book does not interfere with his liberty, as this phrase indicates the possibility of hav­ing it effaced. St. Augustine says that no name inscribed there will be blotted out, while St. Thomas says that through justifica­tion the name is conditionally recorded but becomes indelible through perseverance and the entrance into eternal glory. It may allude to the baptismal register. The statement is rather hard to explain, because God foreknowing who will persevere will not blot out the name of anyone in the book. God's foreknowledge of final perseverance composes this book. Christ told His apostles that their names were written in heaven (Lc. X. 20). Re-calling to his mind the book of "life" carries an ominous message for the Bishop of Sardes, who is "dead" spiritually and whose name will not be in the book without repentance.

'The third distinction promised the faithful one is the confession of his name before the Father and "before His angels" (Lc. XII. 8), and is the same as recorded in the gospel of Mt. X. 32. This promise will be fulfilled before the Last Judgment, for then He will confess them before the whole world. If anyone receives this honorable distinction of being introduc­ed by name to the Father and to the princes of Heaven from our Lord Himself, all other recognition and popularity would seem to be of no account. These last words are pure encourage­ment and hope for those who repent and persevere, otherwise Christ might have added what He added in the Gospel (Mt. X. 33). The glory of the risen body may enter into the promise of the "white garments".

The message concludes as all the others urging each individual Christian to accept in a good heart whatever is written to all the churches. In this message is the special warn­ ing against surrendering to temptations to a life of luxury, sensuality, self-indulgence and self-confidence, loss of horror for sin, hypocrisy, bluff, insincerity, injustice, pretended piety and worldly motives or crude selfishness.

Some might object to this description and say that modern Bishops to not have a good reputation at all. However, you must remember that Holzhauser says that the fifth age of the Church (corresponding to Sardis) begins with the Counter-Reformation period, which was a time of great moral reform after the decadence of the late Middle Ages and Renaissance, a time when even among Christians the Bishops and priests had a very poor reputation. By contrast, Bishops and priests in the Counter-Reformation and modern age have had a relatively good reputation, at least among Catholics: Catholics are expected to look up to their priests and Bishop in a way that was not universal in the Middle Ages due to widespread moral corruption among clerics.

The good news is that the fifth age of the Church is followed by the sixth, which is the greatest period in Church history, corresponding to the church of Philadelphia:

And to the angel of the church of Philadelphia, write: These things saith the Holy One and the true one, he that hath the key of David; he that openeth, and no man shutteth; shutteth, and no man openeth: I know thy works. Behold, I have given before thee a door opened, which no man can shut: because thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of the temptation, which shall come upon the whole world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. He that shall overcome, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; and he shall go out no more; and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

This will apparently correspond with the much spoken of "Age of Mary", and the Triumph of her Immaculate Heart.
The seventh and last age will be the worst, and will be the soil in which the final Antichrist grows, corresponding to the church of Laodicea:

And to the angel of the church of Laodicea, write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, who is the beginning of the creation of God: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot.

But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest: I am rich, and made wealthy, and have need of nothing: and knowest not, that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. I counsel thee to buy of me gold fire tried, that thou mayest be made rich; and mayest be clothed in white garments, and that the shame of thy nakedness may not appear; and anoint thy eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Such as I love, I rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance. Behold, I stand at the gate, and knock. If any man shall hear my voice, and open to me the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that shall overcome, I will give to sit with me in my throne: as I also have overcome, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Some might say that Laodicea more accurately describes today's Church than does Sardis, but I would deny this. Lukewarmness is not actually the characteristic sin in today's Church. A lukewarm Church is a Church that has become fat with peace and riches, and has lost its fervour. In reality, the modern Church since the Counter-Reformation has fought many battles and has had no real peace, its riches being gradually taken away from it. However, one can easily see how after a great triumphant period like the Age of Mary, where the Church experiences a great and prolonged peace, Catholics would become very lax and lukewarm. But today, the problem is not so much lukewarmness as a kind of false and misdirected zeal. There are plenty of good Catholics in the pews who are ready to do good works, but their good-will is often being misdirected towards non-Catholic, social justice causes which do not have the appropriate zeal for God's glory. And I would say that it's been this way since the Counter-Reformation, where there has been plenty of zeal but mixed in with worldly concerns and purposes. Confusion is more characteristic of our age than lukewarmness: "I know thy works, that thou hast the name of being alive: and thou art dead." This describes the post-VII hierarchy especially well, seeing as they thought they were working out a glorious new "springtime" for the Church, when in reality their works have turned out to be dead. The wreckage wrought in the VII period - such as the desecration of the Liturgy - has been the work of a false zeal. Pope Pius XII wrote of this:

Another danger is perceived which is all the more serious because it is more concealed beneath the mask of virtue. There are many who, deploring disagreement among men and intellectual confusion, through an imprudent zeal for souls, are urged by a great and ardent desire to do away with the barrier that divides good and honest men; these advocate an "eirenism" according to which, by setting aside the questions which divide men, they aim not only at joining forces to repel the attacks of atheism, but also at reconciling things opposed to one another in the field of dogma.

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[Irishcyclist]

Francis needs to be removed post-haste from office.

Whatever the process, impeachment, canonical court, Francis needs to be fired from office. His resignation is not good enough. Francis needs to be fired.

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/08/a-rorate-editorial-francis-must-go.html#more

[Innocent Smith]

Francis needs to be removed post-haste from office.

Whatever the process, impeachment, canonical court, Francis needs to be fired from office. His resignation is not good enough. Francis needs to be fired.

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/08/a-rorate-editorial-francis-must-go.html#more

Indeed. And if I ever run into Cupich I will take the gloves off. I can't wait to say to him, "I normally kiss the ring, but I'm not sure where your hands have been. Are you a faggot?".