Dubia Cardinals Publish Letter Requesting Meeting With Pope

[Sempronius]

It seems these Cardinals have now reached the ABL level of communication with the Vatican regarding the crisis in the Church.  ABL was mainly concerned with changes in the Mass while the Cardinals are concerned with changes in Church doctrine for the faithful.  Slippery has now met the slope.

During this time, interpretations of some objectively ambiguous passages of the post-synodal Exhortation have publicly been given that are not divergent from, but contrary to, the permanent Magisterium of the Church. Despite the fact that the Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith has repeatedly declared that the doctrine of the Church has not changed, numerous statements have appeared from individual Bishops, Cardinals, and even Episcopal Conferences, approving what the Magisterium of the Church has never approved.

Why are they seemingly surprised about this happening?  Why do they think things would be any different now than they were 50 years ago? I wonder what they will do if continually blown off by the Pope?  Will they be brave enough, like ABL, to do what needs to be done? 

yeah, maybe better to break away and let the church take its course to the bottom.

[dymphna17]

It seems these Cardinals have now reached the ABL level of communication with the Vatican regarding the crisis in the Church.  ABL was mainly concerned with changes in the Mass while the Cardinals are concerned with changes in Church doctrine for the faithful.  Slippery has now met the slope.

During this time, interpretations of some objectively ambiguous passages of the post-synodal Exhortation have publicly been given that are not divergent from, but contrary to, the permanent Magisterium of the Church. Despite the fact that the Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith has repeatedly declared that the doctrine of the Church has not changed, numerous statements have appeared from individual Bishops, Cardinals, and even Episcopal Conferences, approving what the Magisterium of the Church has never approved.

Why are they seemingly surprised about this happening?  Why do they think things would be any different now than they were 50 years ago? I wonder what they will do if continually blown off by the Pope?  Will they be brave enough, like ABL, to do what needs to be done? 

yeah, maybe better to break away and let the church take its course to the bottom.

No, more like the Church is in crisis so we will maintain Her until the hierarchy comes back to it's senses.  And that doesn't mean, as some will think/say, "we will become the Church over here."  It means that we will continue to uphold the sacraments, preaching and teaching the faithful, and creating Priests for the Church, as has been done for centuries, using the clear Traditional methods.  There is no breaking away.  Except by the Vatican and oh, so, many of the hierarchy.

[Sempronius]

It seems these Cardinals have now reached the ABL level of communication with the Vatican regarding the crisis in the Church.  ABL was mainly concerned with changes in the Mass while the Cardinals are concerned with changes in Church doctrine for the faithful.  Slippery has now met the slope.

During this time, interpretations of some objectively ambiguous passages of the post-synodal Exhortation have publicly been given that are not divergent from, but contrary to, the permanent Magisterium of the Church. Despite the fact that the Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith has repeatedly declared that the doctrine of the Church has not changed, numerous statements have appeared from individual Bishops, Cardinals, and even Episcopal Conferences, approving what the Magisterium of the Church has never approved.

Why are they seemingly surprised about this happening?  Why do they think things would be any different now than they were 50 years ago? I wonder what they will do if continually blown off by the Pope?  Will they be brave enough, like ABL, to do what needs to be done? 

yeah, maybe better to break away and let the church take its course to the bottom.

No, more like the Church is in crisis so we will maintain Her until the hierarchy comes back to it's senses.  And that doesn't mean, as some will think/say, "we will become the Church over here."  It means that we will continue to uphold the sacraments, preaching and teaching the faithful, and creating Priests for the Church, as has been done for centuries, using the clear Traditional methods.  There is no breaking away.  Except by the Vatican and oh, so, many of the hierarchy.

Still, some things need to get really bad in order for it to turn around. Look at football teams (soccer), they perform bad one season, they kick the coach, give the players a kick in the butt, and next season they win the league.

[martin88nyc]

It seems these Cardinals have now reached the ABL level of communication with the Vatican regarding the crisis in the Church.  ABL was mainly concerned with changes in the Mass while the Cardinals are concerned with changes in Church doctrine for the faithful.  Slippery has now met the slope.

During this time, interpretations of some objectively ambiguous passages of the post-synodal Exhortation have publicly been given that are not divergent from, but contrary to, the permanent Magisterium of the Church. Despite the fact that the Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith has repeatedly declared that the doctrine of the Church has not changed, numerous statements have appeared from individual Bishops, Cardinals, and even Episcopal Conferences, approving what the Magisterium of the Church has never approved.

Why are they seemingly surprised about this happening?  Why do they think things would be any different now than they were 50 years ago? I wonder what they will do if continually blown off by the Pope?  Will they be brave enough, like ABL, to do what needs to be done? 

yeah, maybe better to break away and let the church take its course to the bottom.

No, more like the Church is in crisis so we will maintain Her until the hierarchy comes back to it's senses.  And that doesn't mean, as some will think/say, "we will become the Church over here."  It means that we will continue to uphold the sacraments, preaching and teaching the faithful, and creating Priests for the Church, as has been done for centuries, using the clear Traditional methods.  There is no breaking away.  Except by the Vatican and oh, so, many of the hierarchy.

Still, some things need to get really bad in order for it to turn around. Look at football teams (soccer), they perform bad one season, they kick the coach, give the players a kick in the butt, and next season they win the league.

Very well said. Although in soccer it isn't always the same case.