Will U.S. states secede over abortion?

[Geremia]

Will states secede over abortion?

[Maximilian]

No.

[Geremia]

No.

Why not?

[Matto]

No.

Why not?

Why bother when all those babies go straight to heaven because they are martyrs.

[Geremia]

Why bother when all those babies go straight to heaven because they are martyrs.

Not all are.

[Non Nobis]

Why bother when all those babies go straight to heaven because they are martyrs.

Not all are.

The point is that many Catholics THINK they are, and so might be less likely to worry about their death.
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I think that even if many people (just how many?) are against abortion (in an opinion poll or election) they would not fight it so far as go to through the trouble of trying to secede.

[GloriaPatri]

Given that the states of the Union do not have the constitutional right to secede, would not be recognized by any major world power, nor have the military forces to resist retaliation from the federal government, I'm going to say no. Even states that are majority opposed to abortion still have urban regions that trend more liberal. Attempting to secede would likely introduce civil unrest within a state on a very large scale. You'd have pro-Unionists fighting against pro-Secessionists in the streets.

[Heinrich]

Given that the states of the Union do not have the constitutional right to secede.

That's never been settled legally. Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you, to boot. The defeated cause had but no choice to lay down their arms. The empire struck a mighty blow even the gallant skeletons in gray couldn't overcome.

[Reader]

Given that the states of the Union do not have the constitutional right to secede, would not be recognized by any major world power, nor have the military forces to resist retaliation from the federal government, I'm going to say no. Even states that are majority opposed to abortion still have urban regions that trend more liberal. Attempting to secede would likely introduce civil unrest within a state on a very large scale. You'd have pro-Unionists fighting against pro-Secessionists in the streets.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Russia would have a serious interest in recognizing a divided U.S.

[GloriaPatri]

Given that the states of the Union do not have the constitutional right to secede.

That's never been settled legally. Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you, to boot. The defeated cause had but no choice to lay down their arms. The empire struck a mighty blow even the gallant skeletons in gray couldn't overcome.

Texas v. White disagrees with you. Furthermore, the Articles of Confederation established a perpetual union among the states. Given that the Constitution establishes "a more perfect union" than the one established by the Articles it follows that the Constitution establishes a perpetual union as well.

And the bonds of union are not merely between each state individually and the federal government, they are between each state and its 49 fellows. Thus a state cannot just unilaterally leave the Union without seeking the consent of the majority of the states it is bound to, at the very least.

The only way for a state or states to leave the Union would be through mass insurrection or by consent of the states of the Union themselves to dissolve the Union (likely through some form of constitutional convention). In the former case "legality" can only be determined when there is a clear winner to the conflict, not before. In the latter case you're going to need the majority of the states ratifying any proposal to end the Union.

[Heinrich]

Given that the states of the Union do not have the constitutional right to secede.

That's never been settled legally. Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you, to boot. The defeated cause had but no choice to lay down their arms. The empire struck a mighty blow even the gallant skeletons in gray couldn't overcome.

Texas v. White disagrees with you. Furthermore, the Articles of Confederation established a perpetual union among the states. Given that the Constitution establishes "a more perfect union" than the one established by the Articles it follows that the Constitution establishes a perpetual union as well.

And the bonds of union are not merely between each state individually and the federal government, they are between each state and its 49 fellows. Thus a state cannot just unilaterally leave the Union without seeking the consent of the majority of the states it is bound to, at the very least.

The only way for a state or states to leave the Union would be through mass insurrection or by consent of the states of the Union themselves to dissolve the Union (likely through some form of constitutional convention). In the former case "legality" can only be determined when there is a clear winner to the conflict, not before. In the latter case you're going to need the majority of the states ratifying any proposal to end the Union.

Good historical gumshoe work, gringo. However, it is clearly evident that the SC has demonstrated itself to be the foundation for the oligarchs, routinely basing moral sans reason decisions in part for poltical power and pelf(Cf. Roe vs Wade).

Again, a man by the name of Jefferson disagrees with you and your candyass carpetbaggery:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/thomas-jefferson-secession-and-states-rights.130704/

[Geremia]

would not be recognized by any major world power

Pope Pius IX recognized the Confederacy.

nor have the military forces to resist retaliation from the federal government

Besides the US and UK, Arizona has the world's largest collection of airplanes.

[King Wenceslas]

The last Civil War was mainly fought over the money made by the use of slaves in the South. The South was driven to recklessly secede by their paranoia of loosing slavery that was created in their minds by the Abolitionists in the North.

Abortion, sodomy, and sodomite marriage will continue until the Fatima Chastisement. No visible loss of money by implementing them. Will bet money on that.

US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell is spearheading a global campaign by the Trump administration to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it is illegal to be gay, according to NBC News. News of the effort - which has reportedly been in the works for some time, comes after Iran made headlines for executing a gay man.

Grenell - America's highest-profile openly gay official and favorite among Trump's base to replace Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador, is kicking off the effort Tuesday evening in Berlin - as the U.S. embassy is flying in European LGBT activists for a strategy dinner during which they will discuss efforts to decriminalize homosexuality. The campaign will be "mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean," writes NBC, which notes that the effort began before the UN job opened up.

America is toast. Stick a fork in Trump, he is done as far as I am concerned.

[Heinrich]

The last Civil War was mainly fought over the money made by the use of slaves in the South. The South was driven to recklessly secede by their paranoia of loosing slavery that was created in their minds by the Abolitionists in the North.

Abortion, sodomy, and sodomite marriage will continue until the Fatima Chastisement. No visible loss of money by implementing them. Will bet money on that.

US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell is spearheading a global campaign by the Trump administration to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it is illegal to be gay, according to NBC News. News of the effort - which has reportedly been in the works for some time, comes after Iran made headlines for executing a gay man.

Grenell - America's highest-profile openly gay official and favorite among Trump's base to replace Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador, is kicking off the effort Tuesday evening in Berlin - as the U.S. embassy is flying in European LGBT activists for a strategy dinner during which they will discuss efforts to decriminalize homosexuality. The campaign will be "mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean," writes NBC, which notes that the effort began before the UN job opened up.

America is toast. Stick a fork in Trump, he is done as far as I am concerned.

We could fill volumes of bandwidth going over the Southern Cause and Her rights, but that would be imprudent since minds are already made up. In regards to your assessment of Trump, I fear, this may be so. However, he has shown resiliency on many points. I think our "Gettysburg" will be the next SC nomination. Our "Vicksburg," i.e. The Wall, is done.

[Jacob]

Maybe you all in real life have contacts whom you trust who are more assertive, but from what I've seen poking around political blogs and their comment sections, people like to vent a lot and proclaim how America is going to fight back.  That was ten years ago when Obama got elected.  The extremists in this country are still pulling harder and harder and people are stilling proclaiming America is going to fight back.  One of these days...

Right.