Thomistic Evolution

Started by Bonaventure, March 06, 2017, 10:14:17 PM

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Habitual_Ritual

The Dominicans 2 pdfs attempting to prove evolution opens with this humdinger:


"Like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is an explanation of a particular aspect of God's creation"

Anyone familiar with Darwin's views on religion and the general push of his ideas by enlightenment thinkers, knows what a slap in the face this opening statement actually represents.
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Habitual_Ritual

These scientifically accredited Dominicans are still claiming that the Fossil record supports evolution:

QuoteThe Fossil Record: First, the theory of evolution explains the fossil record well. It explains why the deepest and thus the oldest rocks in the fossil record contain the simplest fossils. It explains why later species in the fossil record – the fossils in younger rocks – have characteristics that make them look like the descendants of earlier ones. Lastly, it explains why transitional fossils – fossils of species that have characteristics that are typical of an older species and those that are typical of a later one – exist and existed at this particular place and time rather than at that particular place or time.

This entire statement is a tissue of lies that only infants and the ignorant would accept. The fossil record contains exactly zero proven transitional fossils and the Cambrian explosion baffles evolutionists to this day in terms of the sudden explosion of multitudinous complex forms in the fossil record. Not a single aspect of the above Dominican statement is true or provable based on current evidence. There are in fact many modern biological forms cropping up in strata where they are not supposed to be based on the geological column and the role it plays in determining the chronology of life within evolutionary theory.
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Kaesekopf

Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
The Dominicans 2 pdfs attempting to prove evolution opens with this humdinger:


"Like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is an explanation of a particular aspect of God's creation"

Anyone familiar with Darwin's views on religion and the general push of his ideas by enlightenment thinkers, knows what a slap in the face this opening statement actually represents.

muh genetic fallacy
Wie dein Sonntag, so dein Sterbetag.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.  ~Treebeard, LOTR

Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

Habitual_Ritual

In studies of the fossil record in Europe, all 48 genera of mammals living today have been found recorded. Ant yet not a single transitional form has been found for any of them. This reality extends to all species found in the fossil record.
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Habitual_Ritual

Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 07, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
The Dominicans 2 pdfs attempting to prove evolution opens with this humdinger:


"Like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is an explanation of a particular aspect of God's creation"

Anyone familiar with Darwin's views on religion and the general push of his ideas by enlightenment thinkers, knows what a slap in the face this opening statement actually represents.

muh genetic fallacy


History is not fallacious
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Hat And Beard

Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 07, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
The Dominicans 2 pdfs attempting to prove evolution opens with this humdinger:


"Like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is an explanation of a particular aspect of God's creation"

Anyone familiar with Darwin's views on religion and the general push of his ideas by enlightenment thinkers, knows what a slap in the face this opening statement actually represents.

muh genetic fallacy


History is not fallacious

Nice job demonstrating how your statement is not in fact a genetic fallacy  ;)

Bonaventure

#36
Quote from: Hat And Beard on March 07, 2017, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 07, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
The Dominicans 2 pdfs attempting to prove evolution opens with this humdinger:


"Like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution is an explanation of a particular aspect of God's creation"

Anyone familiar with Darwin's views on religion and the general push of his ideas by enlightenment thinkers, knows what a slap in the face this opening statement actually represents.

muh genetic fallacy


History is not fallacious

Nice job demonstrating how your statement is not in fact a genetic fallacy  ;)

Don't worry, that's habitual.
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

Habitual_Ritual

The Dominicans site a fish fossil, Tiktaalik roseae as being a transitional form in their arguments for evolution.
They make this stunning claim based on nothing more than the fact that this was a lobed finn fish, not unlike the living Coelacanths or modern lung fish. In other words, it 'looks'  old. There is also no evidence offered showing what this transition was becoming or changing from. It is pure wishful thinking and imagination. It's shameful that it takes our Protestant brethren to point out the absurdities and anti-scientific nature of such claims:

QuoteTiktaalik to the Rescue?
In the April 2006 issue of Nature, Daeschler et al. reported the discovery of several fossilized specimens of a Crossopterygian fish named Tiktaalik roseae. These well-preserved specimens were found in sedimentary layers of siltstone—cross-bedded with sandstones—in Arctic Canada.5

Like the other lobe-fin fish, Tiktaalik was declared to be late Devonian (between 385–359 million years old) by means of a "dating" method known as palynomorph biostratigraphy. This method presumes to date sedimentary rock layers on the basis of the assumed evolutionary age of pollen and spores contained in the rock. Most importantly, the discoverers of Tiktaalik claim that it "represents an intermediate between fish with fins and tetrapods with limbs."

Tiktaalik Is a Fish
WHATEVER ELSE WE MIGHT SAY ABOUT TIKTAALIK, IT IS A FISH.
Whatever else we might say about Tiktaalik, it is a fish. In a review article on Tiktaalik (appearing in the same issue of the scientific journal Nature that reported the discovery of Tiktaalik), fish evolution experts Ahlberg and Clack concede that "in some respects Tiktaalik and Panderichthys are straightforward fishes: they have small pelvic fins, retain fin rays in their paired appendages and have well-developed gill arches, suggesting that both animals remained mostly aquatic."6

https://answersingenesis.org/missing-links/is-tiktaalik-evolutions-greatest-missing-link/


" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Kaesekopf

Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
The Dominicans site a fish fossil, Tiktaalik roseae as being a transitional form in their arguments for evolution.
They make this stunning claim based on nothing more than the fact that this was a lobed finn fish, not unlike the living Coelacanths or modern lung fish. In other words, it 'looks'  old. There is also no evidence offered showing what this transition was becoming or changing from. It is pure wishful thinking and imagination. It's shameful that it takes our Protestant brethren to point out the absurdities and anti-scientific nature of such claims:

QuoteTiktaalik to the Rescue?
In the April 2006 issue of Nature, Daeschler et al. reported the discovery of several fossilized specimens of a Crossopterygian fish named Tiktaalik roseae. These well-preserved specimens were found in sedimentary layers of siltstone—cross-bedded with sandstones—in Arctic Canada.5

Like the other lobe-fin fish, Tiktaalik was declared to be late Devonian (between 385–359 million years old) by means of a "dating" method known as palynomorph biostratigraphy. This method presumes to date sedimentary rock layers on the basis of the assumed evolutionary age of pollen and spores contained in the rock. Most importantly, the discoverers of Tiktaalik claim that it "represents an intermediate between fish with fins and tetrapods with limbs."

Tiktaalik Is a Fish
WHATEVER ELSE WE MIGHT SAY ABOUT TIKTAALIK, IT IS A FISH.
Whatever else we might say about Tiktaalik, it is a fish. In a review article on Tiktaalik (appearing in the same issue of the scientific journal Nature that reported the discovery of Tiktaalik), fish evolution experts Ahlberg and Clack concede that "in some respects Tiktaalik and Panderichthys are straightforward fishes: they have small pelvic fins, retain fin rays in their paired appendages and have well-developed gill arches, suggesting that both animals remained mostly aquatic."6

https://answersingenesis.org/missing-links/is-tiktaalik-evolutions-greatest-missing-link/

You should contact the friars (or at least Fr Austriaco) and let them know what you found so they can appropriately update or respond to such things.  Finding their contact info is trivial. 
Wie dein Sonntag, so dein Sterbetag.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.  ~Treebeard, LOTR

Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

Habitual_Ritual

Quote from: Hat And Beard on March 07, 2017, 04:53:36 PM


Nice job demonstrating how your statement is not in fact a genetic fallacy  ;)

Genetic fallacies are only so if they original idea has new meaning or context. In this case, it doesn't. Evolution is still pushed with the express goal of undermining belief. No amount of Thomistic polishing changes this in our modern culture, as you well know. Back to the 'science' of the Domincans now
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Habitual_Ritual

Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 07, 2017, 05:03:41 PM


You should contact the friars (or at least Fr Austriaco) and let them know what you found so they can appropriately update or respond to such things.  Finding their contact info is trivial.

A: I'm not done.

B: I'm sure they don't give a toss. They seem heavily invested in evolution
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Kaesekopf

Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 07, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 07, 2017, 05:03:41 PM


You should contact the friars (or at least Fr Austriaco) and let them know what you found so they can appropriately update or respond to such things.  Finding their contact info is trivial.

A: I'm not done.

B: I'm sure they don't give a toss. They seem heavily invested in evolution

Wow, that's a really uncharitable thing for you to say about clergy of the Catholic Church.  These men spend their lives in pursuit of Truth (as exhibited by the Order's 'motto' of Veritas), and here you, some anonymous layman, just cast them aside as deceivers, unwilling to shoot an email and correct your brethren privately, but will gladly run them down in post after post on a public forum.

:thumbsup:
Wie dein Sonntag, so dein Sterbetag.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.  ~Treebeard, LOTR

Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

Habitual_Ritual

#42
The Dominicans attempt (unsuccessfully) to explain away the discomfort of the Cambrian Explosion:

QuoteIt is clear that we still do not understand the Cambrian explosion completely. However, in response to this objection, I would observe that animal fossils from before the Cambrian, called the Ediacarans, have been found suggesting that the animals of the Cambrian did not appear without precedent.[There is no 'precedent', they are the same animals] Moreover, a study of the Cambrian fossils of the arthropods, the animal kinds that include insects, spiders, and lobsters, shows that the Cambrian rates of evolution [this is rhetoric, there are no transitional forms] were within the boundaries of normal evolutionary processes.1 In sum, this suggests that the Cambrian explosion is not beyond the explanatory power of the theory of evolution.

As we know, evolution is a wonderful rhetorician with amazingly persuasive powers to help explain away inconvenient data while providing no actual facts. The Dominicans fail to point out that the Cambrian explosion contains no known transitional forms. St Thomas is silent on the matter.
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Habitual_Ritual

Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 07, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
These men spend their lives in pursuit of Truth

Yeah 'truth' a-la-mode Teilhard de chardin
" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)

Habitual_Ritual

#44
So much for the Dominicans 'web' of evidence part-one. Lets see what degree of scientism lurks in the part two PDF document. This is a doozy, they are still talking about 'vestigial organs'. This crap was debunked decades ago:

QuoteOrganismal Biology: If evolutionary theory is true, then organisms should bear marks of their evolutionary history within their bodies. Biologists point to so-called vestigial organs as one of these marks. Vestigial organs are organs or structures in a living species that have apparently lost most or all of the function associated with their ancestral species. Their existence is best explained by the evolutionary history of the living species.

There is not a single known example of a 'vestigial' organ that has not been proven to be anything but. And yet the Dominicans try:

QuoteFor example, whales and dolphins have a rudimentary pelvis or hipbone

At this point they must know they are perpetuating falsehoods, or they are reading text books that are 50 years out of date These 'vestigal' bones' are now known to be anchor points for sexual and other organs:

QuoteThe pelvic bone supports the muscles that guide the penis. In male whales and other cetaceans, performance and thus successful sexual competition hinge on the size of the hips. The paper explains:

- See more at: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/09/whales_hips_ano/#sthash.vXBpOXAs.dpuf

Shall we go on? Yes lets! This is fun  :D





" There exists now an enormous religious ignorance. In the times since the Council it is evident we have failed to pass on the content of the Faith."

(Pope Benedict XVI speaking in October 2002.)