Google executive says it's possible to live to be 500

Started by Chestertonian, March 10, 2015, 11:10:23 AM

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Chestertonian

Quote from: Habitual_Ritual on March 10, 2015, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: LausTibiChriste on March 10, 2015, 02:04:04 PM
But on the other hand, the world is crap and why put of eternal bliss any longer than we have to?

lol. This

Can you imagine having t deal with taxes for 500 years?? Take me now!

:)
it's OK just start collecting social security when you're 65
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OCLittleFlower

Quote from: GloriaPatri on March 10, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 10, 2015, 01:40:21 PM
What legitimate reason is there for anyone to want to live past 90?

You get old.  Your faculties start going.

Plus, and this is the worst of them all, think of all the other imbeciles you'd have to interact with.

If you slow down the ageing process (let's say we slow it down by half) then 90 would be the new 45, 100 the new 50, and so on. Life extension is never just a matter of living longer, it involves drastically slowing down the ageing process itself.

But does that mean the teen years and the adolescent drama lasts twice as long, too?

Think of a dog's lifespan compared to ours -- they go through all the same phases, just in a shorter period.  Even their teething is shorter, same with their adolescent drama and puberty (assuming not neutered).   This would be the reverse -- and if it started from birth, then all sorts of things would take twice as long (including the baby phase).  That would mean supporting minor children who lack maturity to make it on their own for up to 40 years.
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LausTibiChriste

Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 10, 2015, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: GloriaPatri on March 10, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 10, 2015, 01:40:21 PM
What legitimate reason is there for anyone to want to live past 90?

You get old.  Your faculties start going.

Plus, and this is the worst of them all, think of all the other imbeciles you'd have to interact with.

If you slow down the ageing process (let's say we slow it down by half) then 90 would be the new 45, 100 the new 50, and so on. Life extension is never just a matter of living longer, it involves drastically slowing down the ageing process itself.

But does that mean the teen years and the adolescent drama lasts twice as long, too?

Think of a dog's lifespan compared to ours -- they go through all the same phases, just in a shorter period.  Even their teething is shorter, same with their adolescent drama and puberty (assuming not neutered).   This would be the reverse -- and if it started from birth, then all sorts of things would take twice as long (including the baby phase).  That would mean supporting minor children who lack maturity to make it on their own for up to 40 years.

From my admittedly inadequate understanding, it doesn't work like this. Most everything would stay the same (pregnancy length, approximate age of puberty, etc. etc.) but medicine/gene therapy/whatever can be introduced to adults to slow or reverse the aging process so that a 30 year old can basically stay 30 for a lot longer than a year...if that makes sense.
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Since these people almost certainly don't believe in everlasting life in any meaningful sense, it's fairly logical I suppose that they would want this, as one might imagine (erroneously of course) that any kind of existence is better than annihilation.  With all of the advances in gene manipulation, the harvesting of organs, etc., I wouldn't at all be surprised if the beginnings of this occurred in the next 50 years or so. 

Chestertonian

and women could stay fertile for decades possibly a century and we can have mega trad families with 100 babies
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GloriaPatri

Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 10, 2015, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: GloriaPatri on March 10, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 10, 2015, 01:40:21 PM
What legitimate reason is there for anyone to want to live past 90?

You get old.  Your faculties start going.

Plus, and this is the worst of them all, think of all the other imbeciles you'd have to interact with.

If you slow down the ageing process (let's say we slow it down by half) then 90 would be the new 45, 100 the new 50, and so on. Life extension is never just a matter of living longer, it involves drastically slowing down the ageing process itself.

But does that mean the teen years and the adolescent drama lasts twice as long, too?

Think of a dog's lifespan compared to ours -- they go through all the same phases, just in a shorter period.  Even their teething is shorter, same with their adolescent drama and puberty (assuming not neutered).   This would be the reverse -- and if it started from birth, then all sorts of things would take twice as long (including the baby phase).  That would mean supporting minor children who lack maturity to make it on their own for up to 40 years.

As Laus hs already said, slowing down the ageing process only begins once maturity has been reached. The growth rate from birth to 25ish is left alone, while ageing beyond that is slowed down. No life extension supporter would advocate slowing down the ageing process during the early years.

Akavit

Bad idea.  Bad, bad, bad.  At least now, all those corrupt, evil people who tend to seize power over government and finances die off by the age of 100.  Last thing we need is some 400 year old evil genius manipulating world affairs.

Greg

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Wouldn't someone (in modern times) have to actually live to 500 before they could say it's possible to live to be 500?
The royal feast was done; the King
Sought some new sport to banish care,
And to his jester cried: "Sir Fool,
Kneel now, and make for us a prayer!"

The jester doffed his cap and bells,
And stood the mocking court before;
They could not see the bitter smile
Behind the painted grin he wore.

He bowed his head, and bent his knee
Upon the Monarch's silken stool;
His pleading voice arose: "O Lord,
Be merciful to me, a fool!"

OCLittleFlower

Quote from: GloriaPatri on March 10, 2015, 06:13:40 PM
Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 10, 2015, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: GloriaPatri on March 10, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 10, 2015, 01:40:21 PM
What legitimate reason is there for anyone to want to live past 90?

You get old.  Your faculties start going.

Plus, and this is the worst of them all, think of all the other imbeciles you'd have to interact with.

If you slow down the ageing process (let's say we slow it down by half) then 90 would be the new 45, 100 the new 50, and so on. Life extension is never just a matter of living longer, it involves drastically slowing down the ageing process itself.

But does that mean the teen years and the adolescent drama lasts twice as long, too?

Think of a dog's lifespan compared to ours -- they go through all the same phases, just in a shorter period.  Even their teething is shorter, same with their adolescent drama and puberty (assuming not neutered).   This would be the reverse -- and if it started from birth, then all sorts of things would take twice as long (including the baby phase).  That would mean supporting minor children who lack maturity to make it on their own for up to 40 years.

As Laus hs already said, slowing down the ageing process only begins once maturity has been reached. The growth rate from birth to 25ish is left alone, while ageing beyond that is slowed down. No life extension supporter would advocate slowing down the ageing process during the early years.

And yet -- wouldn't that be the easiest way to modify it -- to replace the gene that makes people age, before they are even born?

Not saying it's morally okay -- just saying it makes the most sense...
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Archer

Quote from: OCLittleFlower on March 10, 2015, 05:23:15 PM
That would mean supporting minor children who lack maturity to make it on their own for up to 40 years.

Wait.  How is that different than what happens today?
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Kaesekopf

Still can't see a reason to live longer.

We all have to die. 
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Archer

Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 11, 2015, 07:58:08 AM
Still can't see a reason to live longer.

We all have to die.

It's the one certainty in life.  Meditating on the Four Last Things gives you the right perspective on life.  It's a race; a race that could end for us at any time.  What matters is being prepared for the next life, because that's the one that's going to last for eternity.  It'll make our 80, 90, 100 years on earth seem shorter than a blink. 
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GloriaPatri

Quote from: Kaesekopf on March 11, 2015, 07:58:08 AM
Still can't see a reason to live longer.

We all have to die.

Well, if interstellar travel ever becomes a thing travel times will be centuries at the least.

Also, as someone else said earlier I do have quite a decent bucket list. There are so many sites I want to visit, both holy and secular. That I don't think I could fit it all into one lifetime.

Also, imagine the good you could do in service to God if you had more time to do it.

Longer lifespans could also mean less change, as it takes more time for one generation to give way to the next.

There's nothing inherently wrong with longer lifespans. Average life expectancy has been raising for centuries now, from mid 30s during the classical era to an average of 81 years in W. Europe today. And if we all lived ideally health lifestyles we could, as HabRit mentioned earlier, live to around 120.