Reckless words

[Lynne]

This is the problem with many "Trads" they want" the good old days" to return,but if they had been truly good then we wouldn't be undergoing chastisement now.It is up to us who have been chosen by God to live in this time to live truly Traditional Catholic lives and not long for what once was,if enough Catholics start living truly Catholic lives according to the sacred traditions of the church then the chastisement will come to an end.

Most of the trads on this forum are under 40 and weren't even alive when the modernists took over. I was in my early teens.

But I agree with the rest of your thoughts.

[Archer]

This is the problem with many "Trads" they want" the good old days" to return,but if they had been truly good then we wouldn't be undergoing chastisement now.It is up to us who have been chosen by God to live in this time to live truly Traditional Catholic lives and not long for what once was,if enough Catholics start living truly Catholic lives according to the sacred traditions of the church then the chastisement will come to an end.

How can I long for the "good old days" when I was born in the 80s? The "let's get back to the 50s" crowd is not nearly as popular as trad detractors would have it seem.

[Elizabeth]

This is the problem with many "Trads" they want" the good old days" to return,but if they had been truly good then we wouldn't be undergoing chastisement now.It is up to us who have been chosen by God to live in this time to live truly Traditional Catholic lives and not long for what once was,if enough Catholics start living truly Catholic lives according to the sacred traditions of the church then the chastisement will come to an end.

Have you ever studied Fatima?

How can good Catholics not long for beauty?  What are the Good Old Days? 

Who started this anti 1950s cliche, anyway?  Bp. Williamson?  When the Catholic schools were free, the convents full, when pious souls waited for the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

[Bernard]

This is the problem with many "Trads" they want" the good old days" to return,but if they had been truly good then we wouldn't be undergoing chastisement now.It is up to us who have been chosen by God to live in this time to live truly Traditional Catholic lives and not long for what once was,if enough Catholics start living truly Catholic lives according to the sacred traditions of the church then the chastisement will come to an end.

Have you ever studied Fatima?

How can good Catholics not long for beauty?  What are the Good Old Days? 

Who started this anti 1950s cliche, anyway?  Bp. Williamson?  When the Catholic schools were free, the convents full, when pious souls waited for the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

Have I ever studied Fatima? The message of Fatima and Fr.Gruner brought me back into the Traditional Church. If the 50's were so good then why are we being chastized? The problem with the 50's was that the laity took the church for granted,they were becoming increasingly more worldly,they were morphing into Sunday morning Catholics. I am merely commenting on the OP,why the angst?

[LausTibiChriste]

I don't long for the good ol' days.

I long for these days but with Traditional Catholicism firmly in place. I'd miss my phone too much if we went back to the '50s.

[Kaesekopf]

I don't long for the good ol' days.

I long for these days but with Traditional Catholicism firmly in place. I'd miss my phone too much if we went back to the '50s.

I long for the days Catholics attempt to affect the culture and social atmosphere in this world.

The apathy Catholics have, even amongst trads, is astounding. 

[Greg]

If the 50's were so good then why are we being chastized?

Why did half of Catholic Europe die in the black death?  Pretty much everyone was going to mass back then and their lives were full of suffering.

Not sure you can lay the blame of these things on any particularly generation.  Seem a little too disconnect to me.

[Bernard]

If the 50's were so good then why are we being chastized?

Why did half of Catholic Europe die in the black death?  Pretty much everyone was going to mass back then and their lives were full of suffering.

Not sure you can lay the blame of these things on any particularly generation.  Seem a little too disconnect to me.

So what happens when the chastisement that our Lady of Fatima said was coming if the Consecration of Russia was not done arrives?Who will we blame it on then?

[Greg]

I won't blame it on anyone in particular.

I'm looking forward to it.  To me it will be a blessed relief to see the world turned on it's head.  I will welcome the Russian tanks as they roll up the M20 motorway.  I'll point the way to Parliament where I hope they'll hang the paedophiles from lamposts.

I'm of the opinion that the way to deter crime is to execute FAR more criminals.  A post-chastisement world won't be conducive to liberalism or faggotry or the stupidity that dominates the western world today.

But, obviously, the Pope's from Pius XII onwards have all ignored this, so, if it happens, then they are to blame.

But, hey, it has to happen first.  We've had a LOT of false dawns.

[Archer]

If the 50's were so good then why are we being chastized?

Why did half of Catholic Europe die in the black death?  Pretty much everyone was going to mass back then and their lives were full of suffering.

Not sure you can lay the blame of these things on any particularly generation.  Seem a little too disconnect to me.

So what happens when the chastisement that our Lady of Fatima said was coming if the Consecration of Russia was not done arrives?Who will we blame it on then?

You're creating a problem where there isn't one.

[Bernard]

If the 50's were so good then why are we being chastized?

Why did half of Catholic Europe die in the black death?  Pretty much everyone was going to mass back then and their lives were full of suffering.

Not sure you can lay the blame of these things on any particularly generation.  Seem a little too disconnect to me.

So what happens when the chastisement that our Lady of Fatima said was coming if the Consecration of Russia was not done arrives?Who will we blame it on then?

You're creating a problem where there isn't one.

Sorry I woke you from your nap.

[Greg]

This is the problem with many "Trads" they want" the good old days" to return,but if they had been truly good then we wouldn't be undergoing chastisement now.It is up to us who have been chosen by God to live in this time to live truly Traditional Catholic lives and not long for what once was,if enough Catholics start living truly Catholic lives according to the sacred traditions of the church then the chastisement will come to an end.

How can I long for the "good old days" when I was born in the 80s? The "let's get back to the 50s" crowd is not nearly as popular as trad detractors would have it seem.

Anyone who remembers the 1950s as a teenager or adult is as close to death as makes no difference.

Everyone else, who wants to go back does not know what they are going back to.

[dymphna17]

I think the 50s thing is a mixture of Disneyism, the country was clear of wars, there was still an attitude of victory and an air of superiority, the Great Depression was over and not coming back, business was booming so people weren't starving, everyone had indoor plumbing and electricity, new inventions that made life easier were coming out all the time, and there just wasn't as much perceived suffering as the previous decades.  And nobody wanted to think/worry about suffering.  The Pill and valium made everything wonderful.  Let the apathy ensue.  It was the perfect storm.  Or should I say the quiet before the storm?  The 60s were the storm.

I personally resent the hell out of these people who had what I perceive to be everything set up for the Faith and they let it go.  Had they just paid attention...  Anyway, that's just me.  My Grandparents were these people.  They died holy deaths but they never understood the crisis in the Church.  You just go along to get along and everything will be fine.  I refuse to believe it was naivete.  They were Catholics all their lives and came from a long line of them.  They knew better but refused to see it.  Grrrrr  Anyhoo   

[TPC]

I think the 50s thing is a mixture of Disneyism, the country was clear of wars, there was still an attitude of victory and an air of superiority, the Great Depression was over and not coming back, business was booming so people weren't starving, everyone had indoor plumbing and electricity, new inventions that made life easier were coming out all the time, and there just wasn't as much perceived suffering as the previous decades.  And nobody wanted to think/worry about suffering.  The Pill and valium made everything wonderful.  Let the apathy ensue.  It was the perfect storm.  Or should I say the quiet before the storm?  The 60s were the storm.

I personally resent the hell out of these people who had what I perceive to be everything set up for the Faith and they let it go.  Had they just paid attention...  Anyway, that's just me.  My Grandparents were these people.  They died holy deaths but they never understood the crisis in the Church.  You just go along to get along and everything will be fine.  I refuse to believe it was naivete.  They were Catholics all their lives and came from a long line of them.  They knew better but refused to see it.  Grrrrr  Anyhoo   

I agree with you (to the underlined). Your grandparents had safety nets without the misdirection and indirection today.

Sheer neglect (to eternal fate) is the big elephant in the room due to life's multitudinous objects vying and demading a claim for our attention. Add in our Fallen Nature, desire for ease, and the Devil, and you have a situation that makes it near impossible to be excused based on true ignorance. Many people leave the path (culpably) because of laziness, don't care, or don't want to deal with what they have to give up/or face (inclusive of those who don't know they're lost and worse...don't want to know).   

Not meant to be a rant even though it sounds like one. Your train of thought was one I connected with.

[Lydia Purpuraria]

My husband and I have often wondered how it is that so many Catholics just went along with the changes-- why didn't many more put up any kind of fight?

I was speaking with a wonderful lady after Mass Sunday and she said she remembered when the changes first took place and when the priest told them that Mass would no longer be said in Latin, there was a collective gasp and many were upset.  She also said she remembered in school being forced by her teachers to get in the line where the sisters were distributing Communion (she had been taught by her mother to only receive from the priest)... they would actually get in trouble for going against the changes.  Her particular family kept searching until they found priests that still offered the Traditional Mass; but it seems like Catholics were forced to just accept the changes --or else-- and perhaps it went from Catholics that didn't want to be disobedient (but didn't like the changes), to those that are still going to the NO today that in fact have come to "prefer" it to the "old ways."  A tragedy.