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The corrupt liberal media came for me, just like they came for Kyle Rittenhouse, and if he decides to sue I say go for it and hold the media accountable: NICHOLAS SANDMANN

By Nicholas Sandmann For Dailymail.Com

The parallels between me and Kyle Rittenhouse are impossible not to draw.

Kyle was 17-years-old when he became a household name after that terrible tragedy in Kenosha.

I was 16-years-old when I was catapulted into the national conversation by video of an encounter with a Native American activist on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

Kyle was almost immediately labelled a 'white supremacist' and a 'domestic terrorist'.

To many, my red MAGA hat clearly meant that I was a racist.
Sandmann is pictured facing a Native American activist at the Lincoln Memorial in January 2019
Rittenhouse is seen in Kenosha on the night he killed two men and injured a third in August 2020

(Left) Nicholas Sandmann is pictured facing a Native American activist at the Lincoln Memorial in January 2019. (Right) Kyle Rittenhouse is seen in Kenosha on the night he killed two men and injured a third in August 2020
'From my own experience, the death threats, feeling of no future ahead, and that millions of people hate you, is enough to alter you in many concrete ways and permanently'

'From my own experience, the death threats, feeling of no future ahead, and that millions of people hate you, is enough to alter you in many concrete ways and permanently'

In only hours, a former CNN host tweeted an image of me, writing: 'Honest question. Have you ever seen a more punchable face than this kid's?'.

Kyle wasn't given his day in court by his critics.

And neither was I.

The attacks on Kyle came from the national news media, just as they came for me.

They came quickly, without hesitation, because Kyle was an easy target that they could paint in the way they wanted to.

This is the problem with liberal media outlets in the United States. They want to get the story first, get the most views, make the most money, and advance the agenda from liberal patrons.

These outlets cover themselves when they are wrong with small footnotes at the ends of long articles, clarifying that new information has come out and that they have updated their coverage.

News shouldn't be a scoreboard that constantly changes.

News is about coverage that includes a statement of facts that does not need to be corrected. But, the liberal media doesn't do this.

The liberal media rushes to be the first to report.

So every single label on Kyle as a 'terrorist', 'white supremacist', and 'school shooter' in the streets of Kenosha, will only ever be withdrawn after the damage has been done.
'In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.'

'In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.'

In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.

So to President Joe Biden, Lebron James, Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, and every other commentator: please be quiet.

On November 10th, Lebron James tweeted out 'What tears????? I didn't see one. Man knock it off! That boy ate some lemon heads before walking into court'.

Lebron's tweet reflects the insensitivity and resentment of the liberal media and elites that has surrounded this entire ordeal, from its beginning to now.

In the video referenced by James, Kyle breaks down as he tries to describe the moments before he made the decision to fire his weapon at the people he felt were threatening his life.

It is oblivious to the trauma associated with this event and how it severely affects Kyle.

Taking a life, for any reason, sticks with someone forever and yet the liberal elites would rather turn it into a joke for likes.
Rittenhouse broke down on the stand as he testified about the moments before he shot and killed one of two people in Kenosha on the night of August 25, 2020
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Rittenhouse broke down on the stand as he testified about the moments before he shot and killed one of two people in Kenosha on the night of August 25, 2020

Not only does Kyle have to deal with that, but it is compounded with the overwhelming stress and trauma of the character assassination taking place against him.

From my own experience, the death threats, feeling of no future ahead, and that millions of people hate you, is enough to alter you in many concrete ways and permanently.

Make no mistake: even the strongest of people cannot resist the mental impact when the media war machine targets you.

With Kyle's name dragged through the mud, and the clear effect it is having on him, many have started to ask the question whether Kyle should sue for defamation.

While I am by no means an attorney, I have gained some experience on the ins and outs of defamation and can offer an educated guess on what the outcome would be if Kyle were to sue.

It is important to note that defamation cases are some of the hardest cases to win.

The plaintiff must first prove that what was published about them was false. This is usually defeated by the protection of the First Amendment as defendants claim that they were expressing their opinion.

The First Amendment is a right that Americans hold dear and our right to free speech should be protected.

A plaintiff must then prove that as a result of the publishings of the defendant that they were negatively impacted in their community.

As for the previous terms Kyle has been labelled (white supremacist, terrorist, school shooter), I have my doubts as to whether these legal claims would be successful in court.

If 'Person A' was to say that Kyle was a white supremacist (or any of these other terms), 'A' would be able to claim that being a white supremacist or a racist was their opinion and Rittenhouse's conduct.

The case law on defamation argues that these terms are opinions because a term like 'racist' or 'white supremacist' does not specifically imply a fact that can be proven false.

But one claim where Kyle may have a chance (albeit still a challenging case to win) is on the issue of him allegedly crossing state lines with a weapon.

That claim was proven to be false.

If terms like 'racist' and 'school shooter' were used in conjunction with false facts it can create a defamatory gist that he crossed state lines with weapons and his actions were done in a racist or white supremacist manner.

Should Kyle sue? It first depends on what happens in the trial, as those elements would come into play were he found guilty. However, if Kyle is innocent it would create an easier road to winning.

Again, the chances are still low and nothing is guaranteed in a defamation trial. Kyle should also be prepared for a long trial which will be present in his mind for years.

I personally am still involved in six media lawsuits as January approaches marking three years since the confrontation took place at the March for Life.
'One of the saddening parts of this media onslaught is that it has taken young people like Kyle and myself to expose how corrupt the media really is'

'One of the saddening parts of this media onslaught is that it has taken young people like Kyle and myself to expose how corrupt the media really is'

So, if Kyle is prepared to take on another burden in his early life, with the acceptance that it might result in nothing, I answer, give it a shot and hold the media accountable.

One of the saddening parts of this media onslaught is that it has taken young people like Kyle and myself to expose how corrupt the media really is.

From my own experience, I know that this cannot be easy for Kyle. While I have waited to comment on the facts of Kyle's case until the trial ends. I cannot hold back on the media's public execution of him before the trial has concluded.

At this time I would like to use my platform to let Kyle know that I am here for you and if you ever would like to reach out to me, I am about the only person our age to have an idea of how the media is treating you. The way the media has treated you is terrible, and you don't have to face it alone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10208119/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-NICHOLAS-SANDMANN-media-defamation.html
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2021, 06:52:33 PM »
He can sue, and probably will win.  The problem are the damages.  It was the prosecution that caused his legal bills.

He can probably get pain-and-suffering and other immaterial damages, but I don't think he can retire off of that.
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2021, 08:28:30 PM »
Should a 19 year old offer legal advice? No.

'In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.'

'In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.'

In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.
He's 100% correct, which is why Kyle's mother should have kept him home that night.
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2021, 11:19:17 PM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 

By the way, is there any reason we have at least 7 threads on Kyle Rittenhouse.  I have no idea which ones I have participated in at this point.

Can someone merge these?  Why do people keep creating new ones?
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2021, 11:28:04 PM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 
Really, "just like"? Apples and oranges because Sandmann wasn't put on trial. By the way, Sandmann came from a well to do family who could afford to sue. Rittenhouse does not. He needs to save his pennies for a GED.
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.

 

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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2021, 11:46:15 PM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 
Really, "just like"? Apples and oranges because Sandmann wasn't put on trial. By the way, Sandmann came from a well to do family who could afford to sue. Rittenhouse does not. He needs to save his pennies for a GED.

His family couldn't afford the defense he got either.  I believe some 2 million was raised by conservative groups.
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2021, 11:48:14 PM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 
Really, "just like"? Apples and oranges because Sandmann wasn't put on trial. By the way, Sandmann came from a well to do family who could afford to sue. Rittenhouse does not. He needs to save his pennies for a GED.

His family couldn't afford the defense he got either.  I believe some 2 million was raised by conservative groups.
$500K for defense was raised by e-begging. $1.5 million was of his bail was funded by conservative groups and the remaining $500K was raised by his mother out of her money and that of her family and friends.
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.

 
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2021, 05:37:30 AM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 
Really, "just like"? Apples and oranges because Sandmann wasn't put on trial. By the way, Sandmann came from a well to do family who could afford to sue. Rittenhouse does not. He needs to save his pennies for a GED.

His family couldn't afford the defense he got either.  I believe some 2 million was raised by conservative groups.
$500K for defense was raised by e-begging. $1.5 million was of his bail was funded by conservative groups and the remaining $500K was raised by his mother out of her money and that of her family and friends.
I agree with Goggy. He's had one close shave with the law. He should thank his lucky stars he got away with it. He's no Maxwell or Adolph. He's just a sad well meaning teenager who hasn't a clue of what the world out there is like.
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2021, 08:33:49 AM »
Should a 19 year old offer legal advice? No.

'In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.'

'In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.'

In our hyperpolarized society, the first impression of Kyle has been set in stone, probably for the rest of his life.
He's 100% correct, which is why Kyle's mother should have kept him home that night.

Again, Kyle drove himself to his job and then paid a visit to a family member, and the rest is history.
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2021, 09:39:17 AM »
Again, Kyle drove himself to his job and then paid a visit to a family member, and the rest is history.

As I understand it, Kyle was visiting a close friend to whom he sometimes referred as a brother, rather than a literal family member.  But Kyle did have actual family living in Kenosha.  There is little basis for claims that he had no business being there.
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2021, 11:25:39 AM »
There is also NO basis for a major news network, CBS, announcing at the top of the hour just yesterday (Alison Keyes, announcer) that Rittenhouse "killed a black man."  I heard this with my own ears while driving. This is not shading the truth; this is an outright lie, published around the globe, and should be included in defamation suits.
 

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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2021, 04:10:42 PM »
He's had one close shave with the law. He should thank his lucky stars he got away with it. He's no Maxwell or Adolph. He's just a sad well meaning teenager who hasn't a clue of what the world out there is like.
I am certain that he's been educated by his treatment from the government and news media. Rittenhouse's lawyer said during the post-verdict press conference that Kyle wishes the incident hadn't happened and will move out of the area for his safety.

Who's Maxwell or Adolph?


There is also NO basis for a major news network, CBS, announcing at the top of the hour just yesterday (Alison Keyes, announcer) that Rittenhouse "killed a black man."  I heard this with my own ears while driving. This is not shading the truth; this is an outright lie, published around the globe, and should be included in defamation suits.
Are you sure you heard that correctly? She was probably talking about how Kyle was at BLM protests that were being held because a Kenosha police officer killed a black man (Jacob Blake).
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If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.

 

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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2021, 05:27:13 PM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 
Really, "just like"? Apples and oranges because Sandmann wasn't put on trial. By the way, Sandmann came from a well to do family who could afford to sue. Rittenhouse does not. He needs to save his pennies for a GED.

Wrong.  Nick Sandman's lawyer Lin Wood worked pro bono.  And he has offered to do the same for Kyle Rittenhouse.

Sandmann Lawyer L. Lin Wood Offers to Represent 17-Year-Old Kenosha Shooter Pro Bono

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/08/29/sandmann-lawyer-l-lin-wood-offers-to-represent-17-year-old-kenosha-shooter-pro-bono/
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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2021, 05:32:47 PM »
Of course he should sue.  Just like that young Catholic man who smiled and did not retract from that Injun banging a drum in Washington D.C. during a Pro Life rally a couple of years ago. 
Really, "just like"? Apples and oranges because Sandmann wasn't put on trial. By the way, Sandmann came from a well to do family who could afford to sue. Rittenhouse does not. He needs to save his pennies for a GED.

Wrong.  Nick Sandman's lawyer Lin Wood worked pro bono.  And he has offered to do the same for Kyle Rittenhouse.

Sandmann Lawyer L. Lin Wood Offers to Represent 17-Year-Old Kenosha Shooter Pro Bono

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/08/29/sandmann-lawyer-l-lin-wood-offers-to-represent-17-year-old-kenosha-shooter-pro-bono/
Wrong.

Your article is about representing Kyle in the criminal trial and doesn't have anything to do with defamation. Here's a more recent news article on Sandmann and Wood:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/01/26/nick-sandmann-fired-attorney-lin-wood-after-twitter-telegram-posts/4260538001/
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.

 

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Re: Should Kyle Rittenhouse sue for defamation? Nicholas Sandmann weighs in
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2021, 05:33:07 PM »
Are you sure you heard that correctly? She was probably talking about how Kyle was at BLM protests that were being held because a Kenosha police officer killed a black man (Jacob Blake).

This what it says on the CBS "Weekend Roundup" site: http://feeds.cbsnews.com/podcast_weekend_1
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A Wisconsin jury acquits Kyle Rittenhouse of all charges for the shooting deaths of two men and the wounding of another during a night of violent protests over the police wounding of a Black man. .. Host Allison Keyes will have these stories and more on the CBS News "Weekend Roundup."

I would imagine a person who is focussing on driving is especially vulnerable to mishearing or misunderstanding items.
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