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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #120 on: November 23, 2021, 07:18:06 PM »
You are citing Church Militant? They are a bunch of opportunistic, unscrupulous narcissists.

Then ignore what they wrote and read the screenshots of RTF's twitter account.  It's unsubstantiated gossip and behavior unworthy of any Catholic, much less someone you want to hold up as a leader.

When they win in court, will you retract this?





We must have different detraction thresholds. Calling people names is not defamation. Grow up. RtF Mike did and is doing a charitable action in fundraising for Father Jackson. For some reason, the CMhitsquad came after him and all but condemned Father Jackson. CM has a history of doing these things.

Yeah, when I used for watch CM vids some years ago there'd be these young men with Voris. Nave me assumed they were his sons, rather the cult members that they are. CM have a record of industrial volume detraction against priests. The Archdiocese of Detroit won't let them use the name Catholic. Mike should use whoever knows stuff, say in the Archdiocese. Voris was bounced into confessing his sodomitical tendencies, and for this sort of thing, what works is right, within reasonable limits.
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2021, 11:46:19 AM »
CMtv is making a big deal about whether or not Br. Martin Navarro is a monk, trying to insinuate some sort of previous financial impropriety on the part of RTF vis--vis fundraising schemes. All he did was provide a platform for awareness, but the fundraiser was handled by Br. Martin. Br. Martin has always been upfront, as far as I know, about the Oblates of St. Augustine's de facto status under certain provisions in Canon Law. One might as well attack Fr. Nix's status as a 'diocesan hermit' because he drives all over the place. It would be about the same level of honesty.

You realise that CATHOLICS believe a "Brother" has to be consecrated by a legitimate religious society, right?
Navarro is not, in any way, shape or form, a Brother. He's not even a legitimate Third Order Augustinian.
 
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2021, 11:53:22 AM »
Yeah, when I used for watch CM vids some years ago there'd be these young men with Voris. Nave me assumed they were his sons, rather the cult members that they are. CM have a record of industrial volume detraction against priests. The Archdiocese of Detroit won't let them use the name Catholic. Mike should use whoever knows stuff, say in the Archdiocese. Voris was bounced into confessing his sodomitical tendencies, and for this sort of thing, what works is right, within reasonable limits.

Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?  Milo Yiannopoulos is working with CM to this effort also. We are obliged to welcome those who turn their backs on sinful behaviour and repent with firm resolve. Voris's former homosexuality as a young man predates his founding of Church Militant by a mile. If Church Militant is his way of paying back and doing good works, we don't have to like it according to our tastes, but we have to admit the man has courage.
 
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2021, 11:56:39 AM »
Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?

Why are former drunks always the best people to help current drunks get sober?
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2021, 01:10:45 PM »
CMtv is making a big deal about whether or not Br. Martin Navarro is a monk, trying to insinuate some sort of previous financial impropriety on the part of RTF vis--vis fundraising schemes. All he did was provide a platform for awareness, but the fundraiser was handled by Br. Martin. Br. Martin has always been upfront, as far as I know, about the Oblates of St. Augustine's de facto status under certain provisions in Canon Law. One might as well attack Fr. Nix's status as a 'diocesan hermit' because he drives all over the place. It would be about the same level of honesty.

You realise that CATHOLICS believe a "Brother" has to be consecrated by a legitimate religious society, right?
Navarro is not, in any way, shape or form, a Brother. He's not even a legitimate Third Order Augustinian.

Wrong.  St. Benedict and many early monastics began as solitaries.  They did not need or obtain a bishops permission to become a solitary.  And, as a result of being a saintly solitaries, they attracted men from the outside world, without their trying, seeking to imitate their way of life, and petitioning to join into that same way of life under said solitary.  These solitaries then brought these men under their temporal authority(not the same as ecclesiastical authority), and they became a community of brothers.  All of the original monastics were brothers.  There were no priest abbots in charge.  That is the bastardization of monastic life, to think that it is wholly dependent on the sacrament of orders.  Thats right, I said it!  Back to the point.  They all began and grew without permission or approval of bishops/the sacrament of orders.  That is the foundation of the brother, and it hasn't changed.  It cannot change.  It is forever there for the taking.  It is like the sword in the stone.  Christ said of celibacy/the religious life, "if one can take it, let him take it." 
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2021, 01:15:00 PM »
Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?

Why are former drunks always the best people to help current drunks get sober?

There is a difference between being an alcoholic, and being a sodomite.  The solution to sodomy is not ordination. 
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2021, 01:18:18 PM »
Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?

Why are former drunks always the best people to help current drunks get sober?

There is a difference between being an alcoholic, and being a sodomite.  The solution to sodomy is not ordination.

Who ordained Michael Voris?
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #127 on: November 29, 2021, 01:32:28 PM »
Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?

Why are former drunks always the best people to help current drunks get sober?

There is a difference between being an alcoholic, and being a sodomite.  The solution to sodomy is not ordination.

Who ordained Michael Voris?

Get real, you know what I mean.
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #128 on: November 29, 2021, 01:50:31 PM »
Yeah, when I used for watch CM vids some years ago there'd be these young men with Voris. Nave me assumed they were his sons, rather the cult members that they are. CM have a record of industrial volume detraction against priests. The Archdiocese of Detroit won't let them use the name Catholic. Mike should use whoever knows stuff, say in the Archdiocese. Voris was bounced into confessing his sodomitical tendencies, and for this sort of thing, what works is right, within reasonable limits.

Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?  Milo Yiannopoulos is working with CM to this effort also. We are obliged to welcome those who turn their backs on sinful behaviour and repent with firm resolve. Voris's former homosexuality as a young man predates his founding of Church Militant by a mile. If Church Militant is his way of paying back and doing good works, we don't have to like it according to our tastes, but we have to admit the man has courage.


Given bunch of young men with their hair styled like his, CM seems at least to be a cult with a rather queer undercurrent. I recall one had a video by one of those youths where the utterly cultured Pope St Damasus (responsible ultimately for the Vulgate and much fine verse) was slighted over urban violence which saw supporters of the anti-pope burnt in a basilica, as though it was his problem. Sodomites are like the dogs of Proverbs returning to their vomit, or fools to their folly. Pederasts, paedophiles also have similarly fearsome compulsions to at least sin in their heart (which to God can be as bad). Given how often Gary Voris and Mrs Niles have engaged in the sin of calumny against good priests, whether SSPX or diocesan with Mrs Niles using unwell young women like Jassy Jacas, I have little regard for them. Voris must be raging with jealousy over chaste priests and monks, and perhaps it is vengeance for having to leave seminary over his lusts.

Recall most of all that the CM cult was originally funded and largely founded by Opus Dei Supernumerary Marc Brammer. Opus Dei are a cult. Children in their schools are often inducted into the Opus Dei life without knowledge of the parents. They hide even their associations with schools they run, or properties they operate, using anodyne names. Its founder Fr Jose Maria Escriva occupied much of his time trying to revive a claim to a defunct aristocratic title. Fr Escriva reacted to V2 by almost quitting the Church for the Orthodox schismatics. Mgsr Bugnini CM showed charity and some prudence by giving him an indult for the Mass without asking. Opus Dei also harbour some odd judaizing ideas, such that some call them Opus Judei. They see themselves as guardians of orthodoxy.
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #129 on: November 29, 2021, 01:55:42 PM »
Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?

Why are former drunks always the best people to help current drunks get sober?

There is a difference between being an alcoholic, and being a sodomite.  The solution to sodomy is not ordination.

Who ordained Michael Voris?

Get real, you know what I mean.

I'm not sure I do.  I completely agree that homosexuals are unfit for the priesthood.  But I don't see how that's relevant to a discussion about Church Militant.
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #130 on: November 29, 2021, 08:38:26 PM »
Voris is annoying and sometimes goes too far, but what if he's really helped stop them from being practicing homosexuals?

Why are former drunks always the best people to help current drunks get sober?

There is a difference between being an alcoholic, and being a sodomite.  The solution to sodomy is not ordination.

Who ordained Michael Voris?

Get real, you know what I mean.

I'm not sure I do.  I completely agree that homosexuals are unfit for the priesthood.  But I don't see how that's relevant to a discussion about Church Militant.

Milo Yannonopolis is a perfect example.  He goes from being a flaming faggot to being a now qualified conversion specialist/Catholic Influencer all because he one, wants to, and two, consecrated himself to st. Joseph.  No, he still looks like a queer to me.  In both cases, neither Voris or Yanonopolis are leading souls to Tradition.  They are simply becoming gatekeepers on the opposite end of the same spectrum that enabled their perversions in the first place.
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #131 on: November 29, 2021, 09:09:28 PM »

As for Joe "Beard"'s whiny letter:

I'd have done the exact thing RTF did. Want to quit? I'm taking over the accounts so you cannot ruin the brand in a fit of rage. It's *exactly* how business works; I've done the same thing to employees' accounts when there are sudden legal issues, firings/quitting, etc. They apparently didn't have a contract in place to fall back on. Remuneration and legal possession was undefined, it seems. Joe didn't pursue it legally and 2 years later wants to make a stink. This is par for the course in CMtv's methodology. Who knows the other side, RTF's portion of the story. Joe's timing is suspect, his claims are rather vague, and frankly he comes off like someone who needs to learn a few things in life.

When I discerned a vocation years ago, I read some of the bi laws of the order I was interested in, and I recall a bi law that stated something along the lines of, the superior(or that religious in the order whom it concerns) cannot build a religious house or mission and basically complete, or come close to completing it, and then decide to dismantle or desert it before it has even served its purpose.  JoeBeard may fit this bill.  I do believe you Gardener would act as Mike did.  And, I am not saying that is a bad thing.  You were both in the military.  And, in the military, if you are a deserter, you are to be treated as an enemy(perhaps even enemy number 1).  Joebeard and Mike were partners it sounds, and Joebeard wanted to desert the mission.  Why wouldn't Mike treat him as such?  And, the mistake is not necessarily Joebeard deserting, or Mike strongarming the operation into his own possession.  The mistake was at its founding, but it is a little late for that.  And, it only makes sense for Mike to do what he did if he really believes in RTF, which is quite obvious.  That is not a bad thing.  I cannot say much else knowing next to nothing about Joe"beard".  But, I can say this. To cite the psalmist, "he who eats bread with me, will raise he heel against me."  I think that is all that is happening here.  Friendship is great, but friendship cannot replace what may more belong to a marriage(modernity in terms of outreach and operation regardless of the means and end).  When it tries, it fails bigtime.  BTW, this is coming from one who has deserted ventures a time or two.  And, it something I try to avoid at all costs.  One must be faithful to prayer and practice prudence.  Because, there were things I thought I loved, that I near mastered, that I now cannot even bear the mere experience of anymore as a result of deserting.   However, I believe it was for the best.  You cannot serve both God and mammon.
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Re: Please pray for the FSSP and Fr. James Jackson, in particular
« Reply #132 on: November 29, 2021, 09:30:25 PM »
People need to take St. Peter Damian, Doctor of the Church, a lot more seriously.

There are few moral problems as dis-qualifying for a paid, public life as a Catholic reporter of others wrong-doings,

than to have been an active male homosexual for 20-plus years.