Sentient AI ?

Started by red solo cup, June 12, 2022, 02:31:00 PM

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Lynne

Quote from: red solo cup on June 12, 2022, 02:31:00 PM
This google engineer thinks it's AI program is sentient.
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-thinks-artificial-intelligence-bot-has-become-sentient-2022-6

A bit more about Lemoine.
https://archive.ph/iTjQ5

Lemoine was a "priest".

from the article,

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Lemoine may have been predestined to believe in LaMDA. He grew up in a conservative Christian family on a small farm in Louisiana, became ordained as a mystic Christian priest, and served in the Army before studying the occult. Inside Google's anything-goes engineering culture, Lemoine is more of an outlier for being religious, from the South, and standing up for psychology as a respectable science.
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Melkor

Either some AI is sentient, and it's got a demon behind it, or it's just an incredibly clever computer. I've tried repeatedly to understand the possibility of AI 'taking over' or becoming sentient. It's technically impossible for it to be alive, so it has either be another entity or our own imagination. That's my take anyways. Elon Musk thinks it's inevitably going to take over, and he's a genius.
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GMC

Don't you need a soul for that?

I don't think a computer program can be sentient or intelligent. Another thing is that the bot can simulate it.

When these bots are released on the internet and 4chan users start chatting with them, funny things happen like this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/


Melkor

Quote from: GMC on June 12, 2022, 04:25:27 PM
Don't you need a soul for that?

I don't think a computer program can be sentient or intelligent. Another thing is that the bot can simulate it.

When these bots are released on the internet and 4chan users start chatting with them, funny things happen like this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/

Yeah, me either. It's just our imagination.
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beev_bove_biv

Quote from: GMC on June 12, 2022, 04:25:27 PM
Don't you need a soul for that?

I don't think a computer program can be sentient or intelligent. Another thing is that the bot can simulate it.

When these bots are released on the internet and 4chan users start chatting with them, funny things happen like this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/

Is there any proof that the AI only begins to say unpopular things when it is bombarded by users who are trying to manipulate it? Or are people just afraid of admitting that the AI genuinely arrived at "hate speech" as it's opinion of the truth?

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andy

Let's define "sentience" first.

mikemac

Quote from: andy on June 13, 2022, 05:36:32 PM
Let's define "sentience" first.

It's sentient.

adjective

    able to perceive or feel things.
    "she had been instructed from birth in the equality of all sentient life forms"

I don't think an AI program could be sentient.  Possibly demonically controlled though.
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andy

Quote from: mikemac on June 13, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: andy on June 13, 2022, 05:36:32 PM
Let's define "sentience" first.

It's sentient.

adjective

    able to perceive or feel things.
    "she had been instructed from birth in the equality of all sentient life forms"

I don't think an AI program could be sentient.  Possibly demonically controlled though.

I used a noun as it is closer to the essence of meaning/definition: "feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought" (per  Merriam-Webster)

If a feeling or sensation is just a transfer of sensory inputs to the "brain", then yes, AI can be sentient. It will never be self-aware though.

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