Pope receives award from heretics

Started by Petertherock, May 14, 2013, 08:41:49 PM

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Mithrandylan

Quote from: poche on May 17, 2013, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: Mithrandylan on May 15, 2013, 04:05:57 AM
Quote from: poche on May 14, 2013, 11:34:12 PM
Quote from: Charlemagne on May 14, 2013, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 14, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

Ha.  It is exponentially useless to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is not doctrine.
That is true. Doctrine is importanty. However an ambiance of mutual hatred and hostility is counterproductive.

Poche, doctrine isn't just important, it's essential. 

As to 'mutual hatred and hostility,' that is just a tremendous Novus Ordo strawman.  A shameful thing to say.  As if it were one or the other.  Do you cringe when you hear about the Catholic Church before the great springtime of VII?
Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

-I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

poche

Quote from: Mithrandylan on May 17, 2013, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: poche on May 17, 2013, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: Mithrandylan on May 15, 2013, 04:05:57 AM
Quote from: poche on May 14, 2013, 11:34:12 PM
Quote from: Charlemagne on May 14, 2013, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 14, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

Ha.  It is exponentially useless to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is not doctrine.
That is true. Doctrine is importanty. However an ambiance of mutual hatred and hostility is counterproductive.

Poche, doctrine isn't just important, it's essential. 

As to 'mutual hatred and hostility,' that is just a tremendous Novus Ordo strawman.  A shameful thing to say.  As if it were one or the other.  Do you cringe when you hear about the Catholic Church before the great springtime of VII?
I join you in your affirmation as to the importance of doctrine. However it is almost imopssible to get to that point in an ambiance of hatred and hostility.
What good does it do to be right when you go to hell for being hateful In Northern Ireland the IRA killed innocent people in hte name of the Catholic religion. How many Protestants do you think were edified when they hear of another IRA attack? How many non-Catholics do you think would become interested in Catholic doctrine when this sort of thing happens?
Then let us look at Lebanon. How many Moslems do you think were inspired to become interested in conversion after the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla? Overt hatred and gratuitous rudeness does nothing to help thecause of Catholic evangelization.
Thebn there is the case of the Assyrian Church of the East. In 2003 the Katholikos (their version of Pope) met with Pope John Paul II and signed a renunciation of the heresy of Nestorianism. This is one of the fruits of the ecumenical movement.
:) :) :)

Charlemagne

Quote from: poche on May 17, 2013, 11:14:51 PM
In 2003 the Katholikos (their version of Pope) met with Pope John Paul II and signed a renunciation of the heresy of Nestorianism. This is one of the fruits of the ecumenical movement.
:) :) :)

But JPII also approved of the "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification" with the lutherans. What kind of rotten fruit is that? It's analogous to the U.S. giving away the Panama Canal and then saying, "Hey, but we got Noriega!"
O Lord, grant to me the grace that, when I meet my end, it may be as I leave the Confessional.

"They [heretics] want to be treated with oil, soap and caresses. But they should be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can." -- Pope St. Pius X

Mithrandylan

Poche, no one here or anywhere else is proposing hate and hostility.  They are proposing doctrine, which you claim to agree with, yet can't without making sure to bring up hate and hostility.  Francis' address to the monophysites had nothing to do with the faith.  That's a problem.  Furthermore, he confirms their faith, even though it's been separated from the Catholic Church for more than a thousand years due to a Christological heresy. 

As to JPII and the Assyrians, I don't think you have your dates right.  In 1994, JPII and Mar Dinkha IV drafted something that could neither be seen as a renunciation or a profession of Nesotorianism, since it never actually made any claim on behalf of the Assyrians believing that Christ has two natures.  Instead, it said that there was a thousand plus year misunderstanding, that the Assyrians are sister churches with Catholic churches, though not in full communion.  Right.

Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

-I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

poche

Quote from: Charlemagne on May 17, 2013, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: poche on May 17, 2013, 11:14:51 PM
In 2003 the Katholikos (their version of Pope) met with Pope John Paul II and signed a renunciation of the heresy of Nestorianism. This is one of the fruits of the ecumenical movement.
:) :) :)

But JPII also approved of the "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification" with the lutherans. What kind of rotten fruit is that? It's analogous to the U.S. giving away the Panama Canal and then saying, "Hey, but we got Noriega!"
That was a clarification on the question of semantics. There is a sense that justification by faith in compatible with the Catholic Faith. We are justified by faith. However this Faith has to be lived out. 

Charlemagne

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Of course. ::) We are justified by faith and works by the grace of God. Why can't the Conciliar Church state anything unambiguously?

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O Lord, grant to me the grace that, when I meet my end, it may be as I leave the Confessional.

"They [heretics] want to be treated with oil, soap and caresses. But they should be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can." -- Pope St. Pius X