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Pope receives award from heretics
« on: May 14, 2013, 10:41:49 PM »
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Pope Francis receives Monophysite award

As it is known, Monophysitism or Monophysism is an old heresy that denies Our Lord Jesus Christ has two natures, a divine nature hypostatically united to a human nature. Their followers profess that Christ has only one nature, the divine nature, which supposedly entirely absorbed the human nature. From this comes the name of their heresy: mono = one, single; physis = nature.

Pope Honorius, who adhered to a formula containing the errors of Monoenergism, a variant of Monophysitism, was declared a heretic by Pope Leo II and the Third Council of Constantinople. He became the classical case of a heretic Pope, which sets the precedent for the study of the present day crisis where we see Progressivism devastating the Papacy.

Today the heresy of Monophysitism exists principally in Egypt among the Copts. Their followers calling themselves "orthodox copts," although the name orthodox is an evident misnomer since they profess a clear heresy.

In the picture above, you see Pope Francis, on May 10, 2013, holding a picture of the Risen Christ along with two Monophysite hierarchs, as if the three were in agreement that He has only one nature. Below, first row, Tawadros II, the "pope" of that heretical sect offering a chain with a icon medallion to Francis, an award only given to those in communion of doctrine with the Monophysites. Third row, Francis euphorically thanks the heretic for his bequest with a warm two-handed clasp.

Fourth row, Francis and Tawadros in the papal library at the Vatican, seated in equal chairs, as if the Catholic Pope and the heretic had the same rank. Fifth row, Francis delivers a speech to the Monophysitist delegation in a newly decorated carnival-style room in the Vatican. He proposed that every May 10, the Monophysitist "pope" and the Progressivist Pope should meet at the Vatican... Sixth row, he humbly receives the "blessing" Tawadros gives to those present at the meeting.

Given these manifestations of communion in the "same faith," it seems impossible to avoid this question: If Pope Honorius was rightly considered a heretic by Pope Leo II, the Third Council of Constantinople and several other Popes for professing errors linked to Monophysitism, why should the conciliar Popes - who do more than that - not be included in the same qualification?





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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 11:28:14 PM »
Monophysites?  Couldn't His Humbleness pick a more relevant bunch of heretics to throw in with?

Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 11:34:10 PM »
Oh, and the list grows:

Quote from: Francis
“Today’s visit,” Pope Francis said, “strengthens the bonds of friendship and brotherhood that already exist between the See of Peter and the See of Mark, heir to an inestimable heritage of martyrs, theologians, holy monks and faithful disciples of Christ, who have borne witness to the Gospel from generation to generation, often in situations of great adversity.”

Besides praising a freemasonic sentiment of 'friendship and brotherhood' between the Catholic Church and an heretical Church, Francis claims this heretical church heir to 'an inestimable heritage of martyrs, theologians, holy monks and faithful disciples of Christ, etc. etc..

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“We are glad to be able to confirm today what our illustrious predecessors solemnly declared, we are glad to recognize that we are united by one Baptism, of which our common prayer is a special expression, and we long for the day when, in fulfilment of the Lord’s desire, we will be able to communicate from the one chalice.”

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“I am convinced that – under the guidance of the Holy Spirit – our persevering prayer, our dialogue and the will to build communion day by day in mutual love will allow us to take important further steps towards full unity,” the Holy Father said.

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/historic-meeting-takes-place-between-pope-francis-and-coptic-pope-tawadros-ii

Francis' full address:

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/pope-francis-address-to-coptic-pope-tawadros-ii

(I have not read through the full address yet)
Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 11:56:40 PM »
What is more, they do not possess the See of St. Mark and the Coptic leader does not sit on the Cathedra of St. Mark. Same thing with the "Patriarch" of Constantinople. They are heretics, outside the Catholic Church, having no jurisdiction. This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.
 

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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 12:17:20 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 01:34:12 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.
 

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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 06:05:57 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

Ha.  It is exponentially useless to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is not doctrine.
Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 06:59:36 AM »
Monophysites?  Couldn't His Humbleness pick a more relevant bunch of heretics to throw in with?

Well at least they are "traditional" heretics going all the way back to the 5th/6th century. It's a step in the right direction, no?  :D
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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 08:20:22 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

There is something wrong with this. Sounds like a militant Novus Ordite way of thinking. Feminine, even.
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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 08:38:21 AM »
I thought they weren't monophysites, but were Miaphysites?
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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 09:15:35 AM »
It's really, to my mind , an academic distinction. Monophysitism is the heresy that Our Lord has one, divine nature. Miaphysitism is the slightly more subtle heresy that His One Nature is both human and divine. Both are gravely heretical.

 

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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 10:46:34 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

There is something wrong with this. Sounds like a militant Novus Ordite way of thinking. Feminine, even.

Yes it is, starting with the employment of the liberal concept of fair which is about giving to each the same, as opposed to the traditional concept of justice, which is giving to each it' due.  It is fair to treat all religions with reverence, it is just to only treat Catholicism with reverence. 

And then seeing difficulty in converting heretics, schismatics and non believers as something that must be overcome by not being 'hostile.'  Well, difficulties in conversion are overcome with God's grace, which inspires men to testify the Truth, and on the end of the heretic, to accept, acknowledge, believe and in turn profess the Truth.  The practice of the Catholic Church has always been to never compromise on doctrine when it came to ecumenism, because doctrine is precisely the reason that a heretic is a heretic in the first place.  Ecumenism without a focus on doctrine is like open heart surgery performed on someone's leg. 
Ps 135

Quia in humilitáte nostra memor fuit nostri: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Et redémit nos ab inimícis nostris: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Qui dat escam omni carni: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Deo cæli: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.
Confitémini Dómino dominórum: * quóniam in ætérnum misericórdia eius.

For he was mindful of us in our affliction: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
And he redeemed us from our enemies: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Who giveth food to all flesh: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the God of heaven: * for his mercy endureth for ever.
Give glory to the Lord of lords: * for his mercy endureth for ever.

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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 11:00:18 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

You're probably right. In fact, my children's favorite story from Scripture is Our Lord sitting down with the Pharisees and hypocrites and engaging in dialogue with them. "Read it again, Daddy!" They love it.
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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 01:40:53 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

There is something wrong with this. Sounds like a militant Novus Ordite way of thinking. Feminine, even.

Yes it is, starting with the employment of the liberal concept of fair which is about giving to each the same, as opposed to the traditional concept of justice, which is giving to each it' due.  It is fair to treat all religions with reverence, it is just to only treat Catholicism with reverence. 

And then seeing difficulty in converting heretics, schismatics and non believers as something that must be overcome by not being 'hostile.'  Well, difficulties in conversion are overcome with God's grace, which inspires men to testify the Truth, and on the end of the heretic, to accept, acknowledge, believe and in turn profess the Truth.  The practice of the Catholic Church has always been to never compromise on doctrine when it came to ecumenism, because doctrine is precisely the reason that a heretic is a heretic in the first place.  Ecumenism without a focus on doctrine is like open heart surgery performed on someone's leg.

This right here.  How can we convert if we don't focus on the truth of the faith.  How can others be convinced if we ourselves seem to be dismissive of our own faith?
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Re: Pope receives award from heretics
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2013, 12:06:04 AM »
This ecumenical garbage is nauseating.

Modernists hijacked the word "ecumenism" just as sodomites hijacked "gay." Before VII, "ecumensim" meant the return of heretics and schismatics to the Faith. I think "syncretism" is much more appropriate.
I think you are being unfair. It is exponentially more difficult to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is one of hostility.

Ha.  It is exponentially useless to have the return of anybody to the Catholic Faith if your starting point is not doctrine.
That is true. Doctrine is importanty. However an ambiance of mutual hatred and hostility is counterproductive.