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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #165 on: May 09, 2013, 12:20:05 PM »
It is not a sin to go to a valid Catholic Mass.
Nice dodge.
I was answering Dominica's question, which question was, should one confess to a priest that one went to an authorized Mass?
No, her question was whether, in your eyes, one who attends an "unauthorized" Mass, i.e. SSPX, is required to divulge this to his "full-communion" confessor?
In my eyes or the Churches eyes, and again, it is no sin to assist at any valid Catholic Mass.

The PCED has stated that an SSPX Mass fulfills the holy day obligation and the faithful commit no sin by assisting at it.

So there is no need to confess a "non-sin" to a diocesan confessor.
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2013, 02:03:24 PM »
It is not a sin to go to a valid Catholic Mass.
Nice dodge.
I was answering Dominica's question, which question was, should one confess to a priest that one went to an authorized Mass?
No, her question was whether, in your eyes, one who attends an "unauthorized" Mass, i.e. SSPX, is required to divulge this to his "full-communion" confessor?
In my eyes or the Churches eyes, and again, it is no sin to assist at any valid Catholic Mass.

The PCED has stated that an SSPX Mass fulfills the holy day obligation and the faithful commit no sin by assisting at it.

So there is no need to confess a "non-sin" to a diocesan confessor.
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #167 on: May 09, 2013, 02:28:11 PM »
It is not a sin to go to a valid Catholic Mass.
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #168 on: May 10, 2013, 08:16:23 PM »
A great quote from a good kind and wise man:

"If and this is a big IF, certain churchmen are heretics as you say with modernism, the Church is not. There will always be churchmen that are wrong, wrong, wrong. That is no reason for leaving the Church and sede is and the SSPX is poised to follow. In the time of Arius and all of you love to throw that around, saying this is the same,  the faithful did not leave, the fight was between the hierarchy. Get over yourself, you ain't special with inspiration from the Holy Ghost. Most important stop trolling for converts !"

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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #169 on: May 10, 2013, 08:52:28 PM »
A great quote from a good kind and wise man:

"If and this is a big IF, certain churchmen are heretics as you say with modernism, the Church is not. There will always be churchmen that are wrong, wrong, wrong. That is no reason for leaving the Church and sede is and the SSPX is poised to follow. In the time of Arius and all of you love to throw that around, saying this is the same,  the faithful did not leave, the fight was between the hierarchy. Get over yourself, you ain't special with inspiration from the Holy Ghost. Most important stop trolling for converts !"

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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #170 on: May 10, 2013, 08:57:14 PM »
A great quote from a good kind and wise man:

"If and this is a big IF, certain churchmen are heretics as you say with modernism, the Church is not. There will always be churchmen that are wrong, wrong, wrong. That is no reason for leaving the Church and sede is and the SSPX is poised to follow. In the time of Arius and all of you love to throw that around, saying this is the same,  the faithful did not leave, the fight was between the hierarchy. Get over yourself, you ain't special with inspiration from the Holy Ghost. Most important stop trolling for converts !"

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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #171 on: May 10, 2013, 10:27:14 PM »
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #172 on: May 11, 2013, 12:39:50 AM »
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #173 on: May 11, 2013, 07:21:42 AM »
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
ok you caught me...I have no idea what that is ...lol
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #174 on: May 11, 2013, 07:24:45 AM »
I have said nothing untruthful.

If someone wants to close their ears and say lalalalalalala, I can't hear you! That is their free will.

Truth is Truth whether you believe it or not.
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #175 on: May 11, 2013, 05:22:36 PM »
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
ok you caught me...I have no idea what that is ...lol

It's the opposite of sedevacantist.  It means that you believe the Seat is occupied, or, in other words, that Francis is the valid pope.
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #176 on: May 11, 2013, 06:57:28 PM »
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
ok you caught me...I have no idea what that is ...lol

It's the opposite of sedevacantist.  It means that you believe the Seat is occupied, or, in other words, that Francis is the valid pope.

It isn't very good Latin.  The word plenus means "full" "complete" or "abounding in".  This is not a word one would use to speak of the Seat being occupied.  I would use sede tenta  to express the idea.
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #177 on: May 11, 2013, 07:03:20 PM »
It isn't very good Latin.  The word plenus means "full" "complete" or "abounding in".  This is not a word one would use to speak of the Seat being occupied.  I would use sede tenta  to express the idea.

Why not a "sedetenentist" or a "sedeoccupatist"?
 

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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #178 on: May 11, 2013, 07:20:34 PM »
It isn't very good Latin.  The word plenus means "full" "complete" or "abounding in".  This is not a word one would use to speak of the Seat being occupied.  I would use sede tenta  to express the idea.

Why not a "sedetenentist" or a "sedeoccupatist"?
sedeoccupatist could work, I think.  I do more classical Latin, in which occupo has military overtones, but I think it would be OK in ecclesiastical.  sedetenentist would be based on Latin sede tenente an ablative absolute using the present participle. That would give it an active meaning "with the seat taking".  I used a past participle which is passive and so means "with the seat having been taken". 

The expression sede vacante  uses a present participle of the verb vacuo which means "to be empty" so it literally means "with the seat being empty" but that does not work with most verbs. 
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Re: Is the NO a Catholic Mass?
« Reply #179 on: May 11, 2013, 07:52:17 PM »
John Daly uses the term sedeoccupantist.  It is acceptable.
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