Is the NO a Catholic Mass?

Started by Jayne, April 28, 2013, 06:54:42 PM

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Older Salt

Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: Older Salt on May 09, 2013, 06:11:58 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 08, 2013, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Older Salt on May 08, 2013, 05:37:31 PM
It is not a sin to go to a valid Catholic Mass.
Nice dodge.
I was answering Dominica's question, which question was, should one confess to a priest that one went to an authorized Mass?
No, her question was whether, in your eyes, one who attends an "unauthorized" Mass, i.e. SSPX, is required to divulge this to his "full-communion" confessor?
In my eyes or the Churches eyes, and again, it is no sin to assist at any valid Catholic Mass.

The PCED has stated that an SSPX Mass fulfills the holy day obligation and the faithful commit no sin by assisting at it.

So there is no need to confess a "non-sin" to a diocesan confessor.
Stay away from the near occasion of sin

Unless one is deeply attached to the Blessed Virgin Mary, now in time, it impossible to attain salvation.

VeraeFidei

Quote from: Older Salt on May 09, 2013, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 09, 2013, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: Older Salt on May 09, 2013, 06:11:58 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 08, 2013, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Older Salt on May 08, 2013, 05:37:31 PM
It is not a sin to go to a valid Catholic Mass.
Nice dodge.
I was answering Dominica's question, which question was, should one confess to a priest that one went to an authorized Mass?
No, her question was whether, in your eyes, one who attends an "unauthorized" Mass, i.e. SSPX, is required to divulge this to his "full-communion" confessor?
In my eyes or the Churches eyes, and again, it is no sin to assist at any valid Catholic Mass.

The PCED has stated that an SSPX Mass fulfills the holy day obligation and the faithful commit no sin by assisting at it.

So there is no need to confess a "non-sin" to a diocesan confessor.
Thank you for clarifying.

LouisIX

Quote from: Older Salt on May 09, 2013, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: LouisIX on May 09, 2013, 12:39:02 AM
Quote from: Bonaventure on May 09, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
Quote from: VeraeFidei on May 08, 2013, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Older Salt on May 08, 2013, 05:37:31 PM
It is not a sin to go to a valid Catholic Mass.
Nice dodge.

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Couldn't resist.
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IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Bonaventure

Quote from: Older Salt on May 08, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
A great quote from a good kind and wise man:

"If and this is a big IF, certain churchmen are heretics as you say with modernism, the Church is not. There will always be churchmen that are wrong, wrong, wrong. That is no reason for leaving the Church and sede is and the SSPX is poised to follow. In the time of Arius and all of you love to throw that around, saying this is the same,  the faithful did not leave, the fight was between the hierarchy. Get over yourself, you ain't special with inspiration from the Holy Ghost. Most important stop trolling for converts !"

This post is in violation of forum rules.

Older Salt

Quote from: Bonaventure on May 10, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Older Salt on May 08, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
A great quote from a good kind and wise man:

"If and this is a big IF, certain churchmen are heretics as you say with modernism, the Church is not. There will always be churchmen that are wrong, wrong, wrong. That is no reason for leaving the Church and sede is and the SSPX is poised to follow. In the time of Arius and all of you love to throw that around, saying this is the same,  the faithful did not leave, the fight was between the hierarchy. Get over yourself, you ain't special with inspiration from the Holy Ghost. Most important stop trolling for converts !"

This post is in violation of forum rules.
How is it wrong?
Stay away from the near occasion of sin

Unless one is deeply attached to the Blessed Virgin Mary, now in time, it impossible to attain salvation.

Bonaventure

Quote from: Older Salt on May 08, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
A great quote from a good kind and wise man:

"If and this is a big IF, certain churchmen are heretics as you say with modernism, the Church is not. There will always be churchmen that are wrong, wrong, wrong. That is no reason for leaving the Church and sede is and the SSPX is poised to follow. In the time of Arius and all of you love to throw that around, saying this is the same,  the faithful did not leave, the fight was between the hierarchy. Get over yourself, you ain't special with inspiration from the Holy Ghost. Most important stop trolling for converts !"

Quote from: Kaesekopf on December 26, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
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is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?
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Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 10, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
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voxxpopulisuxx

Quote from: Kaesekopf on May 10, 2013, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 10, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
ok you caught me...I have no idea what that is ...lol
Lord Jesus Christ Most High Son of God have Mercy On Me a Sinner (Jesus Prayer)

"You can never cross the ocean until you have the courage to lose sight of the shore." – Christopher Columbus
911!
"Let my name stand among those who are willing to bear ridicule and reproach for the truth's sake, and so earn some right to rejoice when the victory is won. "— Louisa May Alcott

"From man's sweat and God's love, beer came into the world."St. Arnold (580-640)

Geocentrism holds no possible atheistic downside.

Older Salt

I have said nothing untruthful.

If someone wants to close their ears and say lalalalalalala, I can't hear you! That is their free will.

Truth is Truth whether you believe it or not.
Stay away from the near occasion of sin

Unless one is deeply attached to the Blessed Virgin Mary, now in time, it impossible to attain salvation.

LouisIX

Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 11, 2013, 05:21:42 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on May 10, 2013, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 10, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
ok you caught me...I have no idea what that is ...lol

It's the opposite of sedevacantist.  It means that you believe the Seat is occupied, or, in other words, that Francis is the valid pope.
IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Jayne

Quote from: LouisIX on May 11, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 11, 2013, 05:21:42 AM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on May 10, 2013, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: voxxpopulisuxx on May 10, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
is there any way to add Traditional eastern Catholics in that list?

Wouldn't you fall in under sedeplenist?
ok you caught me...I have no idea what that is ...lol

It's the opposite of sedevacantist.  It means that you believe the Seat is occupied, or, in other words, that Francis is the valid pope.

It isn't very good Latin.  The word plenus means "full" "complete" or "abounding in".  This is not a word one would use to speak of the Seat being occupied.  I would use sede tenta  to express the idea.
Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

dueSicilie

Quote from: RealJayneK on May 11, 2013, 04:57:28 PM
It isn't very good Latin.  The word plenus means "full" "complete" or "abounding in".  This is not a word one would use to speak of the Seat being occupied.  I would use sede tenta  to express the idea.

Why not a "sedetenentist" or a "sedeoccupatist"?

Jayne

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Quote from: dueSicilie on May 11, 2013, 05:03:20 PM
Quote from: RealJayneK on May 11, 2013, 04:57:28 PM
It isn't very good Latin.  The word plenus means "full" "complete" or "abounding in".  This is not a word one would use to speak of the Seat being occupied.  I would use sede tenta  to express the idea.

Why not a "sedetenentist" or a "sedeoccupatist"?
sedeoccupatist could work, I think.  I do more classical Latin, in which occupo has military overtones, but I think it would be OK in ecclesiastical.  sedetenentist would be based on Latin sede tenente an ablative absolute using the present participle. That would give it an active meaning "with the seat taking".  I used a past participle which is passive and so means "with the seat having been taken". 

The expression sede vacante  uses a present participle of the verb vacuo which means "to be empty" so it literally means "with the seat being empty" but that does not work with most verbs. 
Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

Mithrandylan

John Daly uses the term sedeoccupantist.  It is acceptable.
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