Carrie Underwood concert

[OCLittleFlower]

I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

[Roland Deschain]

I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

Ms. Underwood was raised a Baptist and even kept that distinction after hitting it big. After all, she has a song called "Jesus Take the Wheel." So I don't think for one second that she is ignorant.

[Jayne]

I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.

It is reasonable to identify a person's clothing as inappropriate if it is.  I do not see how it can be right to call someone a slut.  It seems like backbiting to me : http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm

I think that you make a good point about desensitization.  It probably affects most people.

[LouisIX]

I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.

It is reasonable to identify a person's clothing as inappropriate if it is.  I do not see how it can be right to call someone a slut.  It seems like backbiting to me : http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm

I agree.

[OCLittleFlower]

I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

Ms. Underwood was raised a Baptist and even kept that distinction after hitting it big. After all, she has a song called "Jesus Take the Wheel." So I don't think for one second that she is ignorant.

I don't know much about Baptists or how (or if) they address issues of immodesty.

This thread is the first I've heard of her support for gay marriage, but I don't know how Baptists handle that either.

[Christknight104]

I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

Ms. Underwood was raised a Baptist and even kept that distinction after hitting it big. After all, she has a song called "Jesus Take the Wheel." So I don't think for one second that she is ignorant.

I don't know much about Baptists or how (or if) they address issues of immodesty.

This thread is the first I've heard of her support for gay marriage, but I don't know how Baptists handle that either.

I have heard that Baptists come in hundreds of different flavors. For the most part, it seems many mainline Protestant sects have taken such liberal stands nowadays on issues such as homosexual "marriage."

[erin is nice]

I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it. Those dresses are ridiculous and no one wears things like that in every day life.

I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.

I wouldn't go see crap like Carrie Underwood, but I go to secular concerts a lot. I've never seen a brawl 

[Petertherock]

But seriously......Carrie Underwood? I hope you don't mistake her for a country artist.

TTHHHAAANNNK YOUUU!! Seriously isn't she getting tired of writing songs about revenge. Before he Cheats/Undo it/Blown away/Two Black Cadillacs. She is getting as repetative as that trollop Taylor Swift WHO ALSO IS NOOOTTT COUNTRY.

Well, I hate to break it to you, Carrie has won every country music award there is to win. So, if Carrie isn't country, then you better tell that to the country music guru's in Nashville.

[Petertherock]

I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

No, I didn't say there was a brawl. I said someone got in my face and the security guards came over and de-esculated things before any punches were thrown. Later the guy apologized to me.

[Petertherock]

I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.

I agree with this. Some of the posts here remind me of people that think it's OK to rape a woman or at least that the rape is excusable because she was dressed like that. I have seen women and teenage girls dressed as bad or worse than Carrie every day at the beach and even on the way to school. Am I saying it's right? No. Do I condone it? No. But this woman has an incredible voice, perhaps the best live voice I have ever heard. She has the talent, it's just too bad she or her handlers feel the need to have her dress like that. She is also happily married to NHL hockey player Mike Fisher.

[Petertherock]

I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it. Those dresses are ridiculous and no one wears things like that in every day life.

I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.

I wouldn't go see crap like Carrie Underwood, but I go to secular concerts a lot. I've never seen a brawl 

The only actual brawl at a concert I ever saw was at a Metallica concert. The concert hadn't even started yet and some guy literally goes flying over my head. A couple people got an early exit from the show. I have seen brawls at sports events too. I am talking about in the stands and not on the field. Of course some of the biggest brawls I have ever heard of has taken place at soccer games.

At the George Thorogood concert I went to last month, some kid got thrown out for underage drinking. They have a wrist band they give you if you are old enough to drink. This idiot was under age and he's near the front and he is holding up a big cup of beer right in front of the security people. They told him if he hadn't been holding the beer up in the air they never would have seen him as they were escorting him out.

[Alphonsus Jr.]

I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

[erin is nice]

I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

I highly doubt Carrie Underwood is at the top of most men's lust list

[Alphonsus Jr.]

Some of the posts here remind me of people that think it's OK to rape a woman or at least that the rape is excusable because she was dressed like that.

Not at all. We're simply not surprised that when a deer presents herself to a wolf pack as prey, she gets treated accordingly. More than ever, the world is populated by many wolves inflamed with lust at every moment. Thus we're not surprised when those who present themselves to the world as nickel strumpets are treated accordingly. We wish it didn't happen, but we're not surprised when it does.

[Alphonsus Jr.]

I highly doubt Carrie Underwood is at the top of most men's lust list

Nor is the corner penny hooker.