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[Mithrandylan]

Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

That's right PTR, it's not right, so take the pictures down.  I don't know how to read this post except as some strange justification. 

[Archer]

I agree with you.  This clothing is acceptable to main stream culture.  And, even though we are heavily influenced by this culture, somehow we need to learn more godly standards.  This is extremely difficult, especially since so many of us have become desensitized.  It is like relearning to see.

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

This is a good post Jayne. 

[Jayne]

I agree with you.  This clothing is acceptable to main stream culture.  And, even though we are heavily influenced by this culture, somehow we need to learn more godly standards.  This is extremely difficult, especially since so many of us have become desensitized.  It is like relearning to see.

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

This is a good post Jayne.

You needn't sound so surprised.  :tongue:

Thanks.

[Alphonsus Jr.]

I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

[Mithrandylan]

I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

[Alphonsus Jr.]

Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

Therefore post such pictures here? This is very strange logic. We're called to reject the world's filth.

"Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him" (1 Jn. 2:15).

"Adulterers, know you not that the friendship of this world is the enemy of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God" (James 4:4).

[LouisIX]

I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.

[Alphonsus Jr.]

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

Yes! (Except for the relativization via "to me").

[Mithrandylan]

I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.

The will doesn't matter.  That's between the person committing the act and God.  The public act, however, does matter.  Any reasonable person could tell you that these pictures are immodest.  That's what matters, that's all that matters.  In charity, they should be taken down.

If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

[Jayne]

If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

in terms of PtR's spiritual growth, it would be better for him to understand why they should be taken down and do it himself.  I can see the wisdom in the moderators delaying taking action in order to allow time for this.

[Mithrandylan]

If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

in terms of PtR's spiritual growth, it would be better for him to understand why they should be taken down and do it himself.  I can see the wisdom in the moderators delaying taking action in order to allow time for this.

Two days isn't enough time?

PTR can grow spiritually without causing scandal in the meantime. 

[LouisIX]

I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.

The will doesn't matter.  That's between the person committing the act and God.  The public act, however, does matter.  Any reasonable person could tell you that these pictures are immodest.  That's what matters, that's all that matters.  In charity, they should be taken down.

If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

I've agreed with you that they should be taken down, but that decision ultimately rests with KK, who I'm sure will deal with them prudently.

But that wasn't really the point.  Alphonsus asked why Peter wasn't being threatened with a ban.  He didn't intend to scandalize or be a jerk to anyone.  Maybe he made a mistake by posting these, but there's no ill will towards anyone.

[Alphonsus Jr.]

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

I agree that we need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them. It's strange though that you'd say this, because you're being most uncharitable towards me.

First, you just judged my interior state, implying that I was of bad will.

Second, you twisted what I said. I never said that I'd "purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here." Here's precisely what I said:

Another excellent traditional idea for revival involves women knowing their place, which generally excludes their participation in debate or appointment of themselves as cops. Reminder: Reject the Outrage Imperative. The measure of your shock at that statement is a measure of your processing.

Rest assured, Jayne K, the more you and any other women here try to police me, the more "offensive" I'll get. You've stepped into the arena and shall be treated accordingly.

To see what I was responding to, go here: http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1934.msg31887#msg31887

Do you say that public debate is a traditionally muliebral activity? Or law enforcement?

Now, notice that my use of the word offensive included quotes. This was related to the immediately preceding sentence: "The measure of your shock at that statement is a measure of your processing." In other words, I'd continue to speak the unvarnished truth - e.g., calling fatties fatties when generally referring to fatties - and if any women were to become offended by such truths, this would be an indication to them that they need to look to their own processing, not to shoot the messenger, and thus raise themselves higher. And then when I say, "You've stepped into the arena and shall be treated accordingly," I'm simply saying that I'll treat women who act as men as I would any other man, which may include saying indelicate things.

Instead, you've put the harshest possible construction on my words. This is not a hermeneutic of charity.

Third, though you rightly advocate charity towards others here, you single me out while you ignore all of the personal attacks against me. Why don't you exhort them to charity towards me, attacked as I am from every direction?

Moreover, why haven't any of you moderators contacted me privately before you issue your threats, as would be the gentlemanly/noble thing to do?

[Alphonsus Jr.]

I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

Yes, it's truly incredible.

[Der Kaiser]

She may not 'look' like a whore full on (her face is not gaunt and hollow, she doesn't look 'dirty') but she is dressed the part.

Actually for most of todays stars she is dressed modestly in those pics.