Thoughts on Adoption

[erin is nice]

Money's important.  After all, kids need to eat.

If I were destitute enough for food stamps, etc, and married, there would be total abstinence in this house.  Instituted by my husband, actually -- he isn't a believer in taking any chances as far as not being able to care for a child goes.

And yes, there have been married couples who have placed their children in another family due to hardship.  It's very sad, of course, but it might be for the best.   Though at least with a married couple the child has an extra level of safety net that comes from having two parents.

I'd rather see people get the help they need to keep their children, than see families torn apart. And yes, a mother and her child is a family.

[OCLittleFlower]

Money's important.  After all, kids need to eat.

If I were destitute enough for food stamps, etc, and married, there would be total abstinence in this house.  Instituted by my husband, actually -- he isn't a believer in taking any chances as far as not being able to care for a child goes.

And yes, there have been married couples who have placed their children in another family due to hardship.  It's very sad, of course, but it might be for the best.   Though at least with a married couple the child has an extra level of safety net that comes from having two parents.

I'd rather see people get the help they need to keep their children, than see families torn apart. And yes, a mother and her child is a family.

I don't believe our country is in a financial position to provide that.

[erin is nice]

Money's important.  After all, kids need to eat.

If I were destitute enough for food stamps, etc, and married, there would be total abstinence in this house.  Instituted by my husband, actually -- he isn't a believer in taking any chances as far as not being able to care for a child goes.

And yes, there have been married couples who have placed their children in another family due to hardship.  It's very sad, of course, but it might be for the best.   Though at least with a married couple the child has an extra level of safety net that comes from having two parents.

I'd rather see people get the help they need to keep their children, than see families torn apart. And yes, a mother and her child is a family.

I don't believe our country is in a financial position to provide that.

Who said anything about "our country"? Why not churches and other charitable organizations?

[Spooky]

Money's important.  After all, kids need to eat.

If I were destitute enough for food stamps, etc, and married, there would be total abstinence in this house.  Instituted by my husband, actually -- he isn't a believer in taking any chances as far as not being able to care for a child goes.

And yes, there have been married couples who have placed their children in another family due to hardship.  It's very sad, of course, but it might be for the best.   Though at least with a married couple the child has an extra level of safety net that comes from having two parents.

I'd rather see people get the help they need to keep their children, than see families torn apart. And yes, a mother and her child is a family.

I don't believe our country is in a financial position to provide that.

Right, because it's not like there are non-government run charities or anything.

[Archer]

[Mithrandylan]

You're out of your element, Donny.

[Archer]

[OCLittleFlower]

Money's important.  After all, kids need to eat.

If I were destitute enough for food stamps, etc, and married, there would be total abstinence in this house.  Instituted by my husband, actually -- he isn't a believer in taking any chances as far as not being able to care for a child goes.

And yes, there have been married couples who have placed their children in another family due to hardship.  It's very sad, of course, but it might be for the best.   Though at least with a married couple the child has an extra level of safety net that comes from having two parents.

I'd rather see people get the help they need to keep their children, than see families torn apart. And yes, a mother and her child is a family.

I don't believe our country is in a financial position to provide that.

Who said anything about "our country"? Why not churches and other charitable organizations?

Food stamps means government.  I assumed that our conversation was flowing with some kind of logic, in which you are responding to the posts you quote.

And even in terms of churches and private charities, donations are down almost across the board because of the economy -- so even if it isn't the Feds and tax dollars and all that, someone has to be both willing and able to give money.  And, unlike the Feds, charities can't run an endless stream of debt.

[erin is nice]

So, better to break up families than to expect people to make little sacrifices in order to help the less fortunate?

[OCLittleFlower]

So, better to break up families than to expect people to make little sacrifices in order to help the less fortunate?

1) Many people are already making little sacrifices to keep their own families afloat, pay the increased payroll tax burden, etc.

2) The phrase "to break up families" implies force.  I don't suggest force, I suggest that people take the best course of action for their children's future.

3) I don't think other people need to make sacrifices to help someone who made poor choices and does not wish improve things for their own family.  There are people who are legitimately down on their luck, yes.  But I don't think Catholics need to sacrifice our own comfort in order to bankroll the fornication of secularists.

4) Shouldn't the mother who failed at chastity make the sacrifice for her own child? (IE place the child in another family where that child could be provided for.)  If she isn't willing to make that sacrifice, why should others make sacrifices for her?

5) I don't think that those who sin and face the consequences are "less fortunate" anymore than compulsive gamblers and people who can't manage money are "less fortunate."  Luck had nothing to do with it.  If they are willing to accept help -- and by help I mean ALL help, not just financial but also help to straighten up and fly right -- that's one thing.  But if they wish to keep on doing what they're doing and have others bankroll it?  No thanks.

[erin is nice]

3) I don't think other people need to make sacrifices to help someone who made poor choices and does not wish improve things for their own family.  There are people who are legitimately down on their luck, yes.  But I don't think Catholics need to sacrifice our own comfort in order to bankroll the fornication of secularists.

5) I don't think that those who sin and face the consequences are "less fortunate" anymore than compulsive gamblers and people who can't manage money are "less fortunate."  Luck had nothing to do with it.  If they are willing to accept help -- and by help I mean ALL help, not just financial but also help to straighten up and fly right -- that's one thing.  But if they wish to keep on doing what they're doing and have others bankroll it?  No thanks.

There but for the grace of God go I, and you, and any of us. If you avoided sin, it's because of God, not your own ability.

[OCLittleFlower]

3) I don't think other people need to make sacrifices to help someone who made poor choices and does not wish improve things for their own family.  There are people who are legitimately down on their luck, yes.  But I don't think Catholics need to sacrifice our own comfort in order to bankroll the fornication of secularists.

5) I don't think that those who sin and face the consequences are "less fortunate" anymore than compulsive gamblers and people who can't manage money are "less fortunate."  Luck had nothing to do with it.  If they are willing to accept help -- and by help I mean ALL help, not just financial but also help to straighten up and fly right -- that's one thing.  But if they wish to keep on doing what they're doing and have others bankroll it?  No thanks.

There but for the grace of God go I, and you, and any of us. If you avoided sin, it's because of God, not your own ability.

We have all been given the graces needed to save our souls.

[Gottmitunsalex]

I don't think Jeff. B was the one that originally said that..

[Vetus Ordo]

3) I don't think other people need to make sacrifices to help someone who made poor choices and does not wish improve things for their own family.  There are people who are legitimately down on their luck, yes.  But I don't think Catholics need to sacrifice our own comfort in order to bankroll the fornication of secularists.

5) I don't think that those who sin and face the consequences are "less fortunate" anymore than compulsive gamblers and people who can't manage money are "less fortunate."  Luck had nothing to do with it.  If they are willing to accept help -- and by help I mean ALL help, not just financial but also help to straighten up and fly right -- that's one thing.  But if they wish to keep on doing what they're doing and have others bankroll it?  No thanks.

There but for the grace of God go I, and you, and any of us. If you avoided sin, it's because of God, not your own ability.

We have all been given the graces needed to save our souls.

Some people might disagree with that.

[Penelope]

We have all been given the graces needed to save our souls.

Some people might disagree with that.

Not a Catholic.