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Title: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 10, 2013, 01:05:52 AM
I went to the Carrie Underwood show tonight. First of all, I almost got in this huge fight with some guy. My seat was in the first row of the arena seats but they are at the same level as the floor. Of course all the people in the floor section were standing up through the entire show. So people like me couldn't see unless I stood up too. So while I was standing, this guy tells me to sit down that his wife couldn't see. I told him I can't see if I sit down. He then gets all tense and angry looking and looks like he's getting ready to attack me and he yells, "My wife can't stand up!" The security guy came running over and told the guy to sit down and shut up. After spending some time thinking how I could take this guy out if he does something (he was a lot bigger than me) I decided to pray for him. I said a Hail Mary for him and his wife. I know I have bad anger issues and I figure he probably does too. So, when the guy and his wife left the guy came over and shook my hand. So praying for people does work. He probably felt as bad as I do when I flip out on someone for a bad reason.

The show was great. I loved every minute of it. Here are some pics from the show...

I was kind of disappointed she didn't do any Aerosmith covers. She usually does...I was hoping she might do the duet she did with Aerosmith, Can't Stop Loving You but she didn't do it tonight...but it was still a great show!

I really love this part where she went on this moving platform that went out over the crowd. It was really awesome!

This is her and her opening act (Hunter Hayes) doing a song together during Carrie's set...

Photos edited out by Kaesekopf. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: OCLittleFlower on April 10, 2013, 01:31:26 AM
Glad you had a good time.

And good for you for not losing it with him.  :)

As a side note -- Hunter Hayes rocks.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 10, 2013, 02:12:03 AM
PTR, I'm surprised that you've seen it fitting to offer us pictures of a woman presenting herself to the world as a dimebag hooker. This stinks of Fish Eaters.

On the other hand, I salute you for restraining your anger. Please continue that restraint at this very moment.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 10, 2013, 06:45:15 AM
Yes, she's dressed like a whore.  Would be nice if these pictures were taken down.  PTR, your anger might see improvement if you step back a little from indulging in worldly things like this.  Modern music concerts are quite the gathering for those who are ready to sell their soul.  Everyone gathers around a big altar waiting for their savior to come out and put on a show that deeply relates to and moves them.  Such is the manna of relative modern man, who needs his fantasy of reality to be validated in profane ways like this.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: erin is nice on April 10, 2013, 07:37:55 AM
I knew this was going to happen  :lol:
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Roland Deschain on April 10, 2013, 07:55:02 AM
Did she also sing about the glories of SOD "marriage" which she has recently come out in favor of?

But seriously......Carrie Underwood? I hope you don't mistake her for a country artist.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: red solo cup on April 10, 2013, 10:18:33 AM
If Britney finds out you've been ogling Carrie your in big trouble mister.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: HolyAina on April 10, 2013, 10:37:23 AM
PTR, I'm surprised you've offered us pictures of a woman presenting herself to the world as a dimebag hooker.

Dimebag hooker...LOL
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 10, 2013, 10:42:34 AM
PTR, I'm surprised you've offered us pictures of a woman presenting herself to the world as a dimebag hooker.

Dimebag hooker...LOL

I like that one too.  ;)
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: red solo cup on April 10, 2013, 11:05:11 AM
Which raises the delicate question of how you know about that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Bonaventure on April 10, 2013, 11:39:12 AM
Yes, she's dressed like a whore.

I've seen whores in the ghetto, and she doesn't look like one.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: erin is nice on April 10, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: HolyAina on April 10, 2013, 11:46:29 AM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Whores of 200 years ago, no.  Whores of 60 years ago, no.  Whores of 30 years ago, yes.  Whores of today, no.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Der Kaiser on April 10, 2013, 11:50:28 AM
Yes, she's dressed like a whore.

I've seen whores in the ghetto, and she doesn't look like one.

Amen to that. After spending about 6 months in Phoenix I can tell you most of the street walking whores you see down there are 50+ year old mexican illegals with no teeth. NOT Carrie Underwood.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Der Kaiser on April 10, 2013, 11:51:05 AM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Slut/Skank seem more appropriate to me.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Der Kaiser on April 10, 2013, 11:54:28 AM


But seriously......Carrie Underwood? I hope you don't mistake her for a country artist.

TTHHHAAANNNK YOUUU!! Seriously isn't she getting tired of writing songs about revenge. Before he Cheats/Undo it/Blown away/Two Black Cadillacs. She is getting as repetative as that trollop Taylor Swift WHO ALSO IS NOOOTTT COUNTRY.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: HolyAina on April 10, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Slut/Skank seem more appropriate to me.

I prefer indoctrinated.  She is woefully ignorant of the ramifications and harm she is causing to souls by provoking lustful thoughts.  How can you blame her?  Has she ever had a father or Father tell her otherwise?  Likely not.  Society applauds this.  Be thankful that you even have eyes to see this, then pray for her.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 10, 2013, 01:28:28 PM
She may not 'look' like a whore full on (her face is not gaunt and hollow, she doesn't look 'dirty') but she is dressed the part. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: OCLittleFlower on April 10, 2013, 02:58:36 PM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Slut/Skank seem more appropriate to me.

I prefer indoctrinated.  She is woefully ignorant of the ramifications and harm she is causing to souls by provoking lustful thoughts.  How can you blame her?  Has she ever had a father or Father tell her otherwise?  Likely not.  Society applauds this.  Be thankful that you even have eyes to see this, then pray for her.

This.

It's a sad thing that shouldn't be posted on a Catholic forum (the pictures, I mean) but chances are that Carrie is woefully ignorant.  My own sister-in-law dresses like that, because no one's explained it to her.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: PatrickG on April 10, 2013, 04:30:34 PM
I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 10, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

She's wearing the mullets of dresses, but agreed. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 10, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Slut/Skank seem more appropriate to me.

I don't agree that her clothing is any indicator of her sexual past.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 10, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Slut/Skank seem more appropriate to me.

I don't agree that her clothing is any indicator of her sexual past.

It's definitely an indicator of her sexual future! 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 10, 2013, 05:22:37 PM
It's definitely an indicator of her sexual future!

I disagree.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 10, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
It's definitely an indicator of her sexual future!

I disagree.

Reasonably speaking, if you see someone wearing a tuxedo you will think they are on their way to a formal event.  While it is theoretically possible that they are actually about to go mud wrestling, it's very, very unlikely and it's against reason to see that dress and conclude that they're about to go mud wrestling. 

If someone is dressed like a whore, it's reasonable to believe that they're going to behave like one.  Not unilaterally certain, but one flows from the other reasonably.  It is the impression that one gives.  If she does not want to give that impression, then it is up to her not to give that impression. 

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Eliza on April 10, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
It's definitely an indicator of her sexual future!

I disagree.

Kk, thats kind of like saying that just because someone dresses promiscuously doesn't mean they're promiscuous. It doesn't seem like the most logical of conclusions.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Christknight104 on April 10, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 10, 2013, 06:15:52 PM
Is her dress too short? Yes. But whore? That's a little excessive.

Slut/Skank seem more appropriate to me.

I don't agree that her clothing is any indicator of her sexual past.

It's definitely an indicator of her sexual future!

Insert Chappelle clip here.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Jayne on April 10, 2013, 06:21:50 PM
It's definitely an indicator of her sexual future!

I disagree.

Kk, thats kind of like saying that just because someone dresses promiscuously doesn't mean they're promiscuous. It doesn't seem like the most logical of conclusions.

It is perfectly logical.  Just because a woman dresses promiscuously, it does not necessarily mean that she has done so deliberately.  We live in a culture that is deeply confused about appropriate clothing.  Many young women cannot tell the difference between sexually provocative and attractive.  It is quite possible for a woman to be sending a message that she does not intend.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 10, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: OCLittleFlower on April 10, 2013, 06:58:51 PM
I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Roland Deschain on April 10, 2013, 07:02:46 PM
I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

Ms. Underwood was raised a Baptist and even kept that distinction after hitting it big. After all, she has a song called "Jesus Take the Wheel." So I don't think for one second that she is ignorant.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Jayne on April 10, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.

It is reasonable to identify a person's clothing as inappropriate if it is.  I do not see how it can be right to call someone a slut.  It seems like backbiting to me : http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm (http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm)

I think that you make a good point about desensitization.  It probably affects most people.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 10, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.

It is reasonable to identify a person's clothing as inappropriate if it is.  I do not see how it can be right to call someone a slut.  It seems like backbiting to me : http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm (http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm)

I agree.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: OCLittleFlower on April 10, 2013, 07:29:18 PM
I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

Ms. Underwood was raised a Baptist and even kept that distinction after hitting it big. After all, she has a song called "Jesus Take the Wheel." So I don't think for one second that she is ignorant.

I don't know much about Baptists or how (or if) they address issues of immodesty.

This thread is the first I've heard of her support for gay marriage, but I don't know how Baptists handle that either.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Christknight104 on April 10, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

And she might not know that any of those things aren't okay.  The secular culture sucks people in young.

And when you don't have a well founded moral compass, gay marriage doesn't look all that wrong.  It is wrong, of course, I'm not disputing that, but to so many people, it just seems like Christians want to deny gay people the ability to be in love and be happy.  The secular culture makes a God out of self-centerness and happiness.

Ms. Underwood was raised a Baptist and even kept that distinction after hitting it big. After all, she has a song called "Jesus Take the Wheel." So I don't think for one second that she is ignorant.

I don't know much about Baptists or how (or if) they address issues of immodesty.

This thread is the first I've heard of her support for gay marriage, but I don't know how Baptists handle that either.

I have heard that Baptists come in hundreds of different flavors. For the most part, it seems many mainline Protestant sects have taken such liberal stands nowadays on issues such as homosexual "marriage."
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: erin is nice on April 11, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it. Those dresses are ridiculous and no one wears things like that in every day life.

I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.

I wouldn't go see crap like Carrie Underwood, but I go to secular concerts a lot. I've never seen a brawl  :shrug:
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 11, 2013, 10:58:44 AM


But seriously......Carrie Underwood? I hope you don't mistake her for a country artist.

TTHHHAAANNNK YOUUU!! Seriously isn't she getting tired of writing songs about revenge. Before he Cheats/Undo it/Blown away/Two Black Cadillacs. She is getting as repetative as that trollop Taylor Swift WHO ALSO IS NOOOTTT COUNTRY.

Well, I hate to break it to you, Carrie has won every country music award there is to win. So, if Carrie isn't country, then you better tell that to the country music guru's in Nashville.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 11, 2013, 11:01:23 AM
I do not think ignorance is a defence in Miss Underwood's case. Surely any woman dressing in such a manner is doing so to inflame impure thoughts in men. She is not a child. I know modern society holds up the slattern as the ideal of virtue, but as she is not only conforming to this vile ideal but propagating it, she is perfectly aware, I am sure, of what she is doing.

Her own impure dress; and, from a quick look at the photographs, less than demure deportment,  the loud, repetitive, rhythmic music and the dark close atmosphere make this a place inimical to virtue and repulsive to a Catholic conscience. You said there was a brawl? I'm hardly surprised.

No, I didn't say there was a brawl. I said someone got in my face and the security guards came over and de-esculated things before any punches were thrown. Later the guy apologized to me.


Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 11, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
I doubt anyone here was claiming that Carrie Underwood is promiscuous but merely that she dresses like she is.  Unfortunately, our single appeal to arguing with this is that a lot of women dress like this.  Fortunately, not all of these women are promiscuous.  Unfortunately, the modern zeitgeist has tricked them into thinking that dressing like this is ok.

I don't personally find most of what she's wearing to be all that bad, but this is at least partly because I've been so desensitized to this sort of stuff.  I don't know if she deserves to be called a slut, but she certainly isn't dressed modestly either.

I wouldn't want my daughter dressed like that.

I agree with this. Some of the posts here remind me of people that think it's OK to rape a woman or at least that the rape is excusable because she was dressed like that. I have seen women and teenage girls dressed as bad or worse than Carrie every day at the beach and even on the way to school. Am I saying it's right? No. Do I condone it? No. But this woman has an incredible voice, perhaps the best live voice I have ever heard. She has the talent, it's just too bad she or her handlers feel the need to have her dress like that. She is also happily married to NHL hockey player Mike Fisher.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 11, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it. Those dresses are ridiculous and no one wears things like that in every day life.

I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.

I wouldn't go see crap like Carrie Underwood, but I go to secular concerts a lot. I've never seen a brawl  :shrug:

The only actual brawl at a concert I ever saw was at a Metallica concert. The concert hadn't even started yet and some guy literally goes flying over my head. A couple people got an early exit from the show. I have seen brawls at sports events too. I am talking about in the stands and not on the field. Of course some of the biggest brawls I have ever heard of has taken place at soccer games.

At the George Thorogood concert I went to last month, some kid got thrown out for underage drinking. They have a wrist band they give you if you are old enough to drink. This idiot was under age and he's near the front and he is holding up a big cup of beer right in front of the security people. They told him if he hadn't been holding the beer up in the air they never would have seen him as they were escorting him out.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: erin is nice on April 11, 2013, 01:08:50 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

I highly doubt Carrie Underwood is at the top of most men's lust list
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 01:08:59 PM
Some of the posts here remind me of people that think it's OK to rape a woman or at least that the rape is excusable because she was dressed like that.

Not at all. We're simply not surprised that when a deer presents herself to a wolf pack as prey, she gets treated accordingly. More than ever, the world is populated by many wolves inflamed with lust at every moment. Thus we're not surprised when those who present themselves to the world as nickel strumpets are treated accordingly. We wish it didn't happen, but we're not surprised when it does.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 01:10:59 PM
I highly doubt Carrie Underwood is at the top of most men's lust list

Nor is the corner penny hooker.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 11, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it. Those dresses are ridiculous and no one wears things like that in every day life.

I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.

I wouldn't go see crap like Carrie Underwood, but I go to secular concerts a lot. I've never seen a brawl  :shrug:

Oh, I don't know about that.  I've seen some real dangerous situations at Sufjan shows.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: OCLittleFlower on April 11, 2013, 01:57:48 PM


But seriously......Carrie Underwood? I hope you don't mistake her for a country artist.

TTHHHAAANNNK YOUUU!! Seriously isn't she getting tired of writing songs about revenge. Before he Cheats/Undo it/Blown away/Two Black Cadillacs. She is getting as repetative as that trollop Taylor Swift WHO ALSO IS NOOOTTT COUNTRY.

Well, I hate to break it to you, Carrie has won every country music award there is to win. So, if Carrie isn't country, then you better tell that to the country music guru's in Nashville.

This.  The whole "country-pop isn't country" thing doesn't make sense to me.  By that definition, Patsy Cline wasn't country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_sound
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 11, 2013, 01:58:59 PM
The only real country is bluegrass. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: erin is nice on April 11, 2013, 02:01:41 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it. Those dresses are ridiculous and no one wears things like that in every day life.

I never thought Trads would be interested  in Carrie Underwood concerts, or going to secular pop concerts in general.  One learns something new everyday.

I wouldn't go see crap like Carrie Underwood, but I go to secular concerts a lot. I've never seen a brawl  :shrug:

Oh, I don't know about that.  I've seen some real dangerous situations at Sufjan shows.


I want to be in a dangerous situation with Sufjan  :swoon2:
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 11, 2013, 05:45:29 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

Because she forces these men to view her as a sexual object to be used, abused, and tossed aside after the men get their jollies off, right?
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Bonaventure on April 11, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

Do those images arouse you? Is it so bad that you have to close your window?
Title: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: kayla_veronica on April 11, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

Do those images arouse you? Is it so bad that you have to close your window?

How is this an appropriate/relevant comment? "Letting it all hang out" certainly will lead some men to lust. Do we really need to get more detailed than that on a public forum?
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 07:55:18 PM
Listen:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20120422-Modesty-Scandal-Purity-and-Caring-for-Our-Neighbor.html (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20120422-Modesty-Scandal-Purity-and-Caring-for-Our-Neighbor.html)
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Bonaventure on April 11, 2013, 08:57:29 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

Do those images arouse you? Is it so bad that you have to close your window?

How is this an appropriate/relevant comment? "Letting it all hang out" certainly will lead some men to lust. Do we really need to get more detailed than that on a public forum?

I think the man is making a mountain of a molehill, acting as it these pictures are inciting him to lust.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 11, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
I guess it looks too "costume" to me to make a big deal over it.

Yet, in addition to endorsing today's brothel culture, it induces thousands and millions of men to commit lust and various related mortal sins. But no big deal.

Do those images arouse you? Is it so bad that you have to close your window?

How is this an appropriate/relevant comment? "Letting it all hang out" certainly will lead some men to lust. Do we really need to get more detailed than that on a public forum?

I think the man is making a mountain of a molehill, acting as it these pictures are inciting him to lust.

If a man is not bothered by these pictures (that spectrum starting at simply being 'offended' all the way to positively committing an impure act) then something is wrong with that man.  We shouldn't be desensitized to the point that when these pictures are shown to us that we shrug our shoulders and think it normal, or that others should relax.  I understand that desensitization is real, and I do not suggest that a person is sinfully culpable for not being affected by such images, but these images don't have a place in a Catholic's life.  I still think they should be taken down.  I don't think this is an unreasonable request. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 10:22:25 PM
If a man is not bothered by these pictures (that spectrum starting at simply being 'offended' all the way to positively committing an impure act) then something is wrong with that man.  We shouldn't be desensitized to the point that when these pictures are shown to us that we shrug our shoulders and think it normal, or that others should relax. 

Fully agreed. I'm reminded of a devastating passage from the heathen Neil Postman's great polemic against television, Amusing Ourselves to Death:

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There is no more disturbing consequence of the electronic and graphic revolution than this: that the world as given to us through television seems natural, not bizarre. For the loss of the sense of the strange is a sign of adjustment, and the extent to which we have adjusted is a measure of the extent to which we have been changed. Our culture's adjustment to the epistemology of television is by now all but complete; we have so thoroughly accepted its definitions of truth, knowledge, and reality that irrelevance seems to us to be filled with import, and incoherence seems eminently sane. And if some of our institutions seem not to fit the template of the times, why it is they, and not the template, that seem to us disordered and strange....Television is the soma of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 11, 2013, 10:25:14 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 11, 2013, 10:30:11 PM
Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 11, 2013, 10:31:57 PM
Unfortunately it's quite common.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Jayne on April 11, 2013, 10:38:49 PM
Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

I agree with you.  This clothing is acceptable to main stream culture.  And, even though we are heavily influenced by this culture, somehow we need to learn more godly standards.  This is extremely difficult, especially since so many of us have become desensitized.  It is like relearning to see.

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 11, 2013, 10:39:56 PM
Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

That's right PTR, it's not right, so take the pictures down.  I don't know how to read this post except as some strange justification. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Archer on April 11, 2013, 10:42:48 PM
I agree with you.  This clothing is acceptable to main stream culture.  And, even though we are heavily influenced by this culture, somehow we need to learn more godly standards.  This is extremely difficult, especially since so many of us have become desensitized.  It is like relearning to see.

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

This is a good post Jayne. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Jayne on April 11, 2013, 10:47:16 PM
I agree with you.  This clothing is acceptable to main stream culture.  And, even though we are heavily influenced by this culture, somehow we need to learn more godly standards.  This is extremely difficult, especially since so many of us have become desensitized.  It is like relearning to see.

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

This is a good post Jayne.

You needn't sound so surprised.  :tongue:

Thanks.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 11, 2013, 10:51:49 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 10:54:49 PM
Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

Therefore post such pictures here? This is very strange logic. We're called to reject the world's filth.

"Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him" (1 Jn. 2:15).

"Adulterers, know you not that the friendship of this world is the enemy of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God" (James 4:4).

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 11, 2013, 10:56:20 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 10:57:22 PM
I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

Yes! (Except for the relativization via "to me").
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 11, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.

The will doesn't matter.  That's between the person committing the act and God.  The public act, however, does matter.  Any reasonable person could tell you that these pictures are immodest.  That's what matters, that's all that matters.  In charity, they should be taken down.

If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Jayne on April 11, 2013, 11:07:46 PM
If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

in terms of PtR's spiritual growth, it would be better for him to understand why they should be taken down and do it himself.  I can see the wisdom in the moderators delaying taking action in order to allow time for this.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Mithrandylan on April 11, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

in terms of PtR's spiritual growth, it would be better for him to understand why they should be taken down and do it himself.  I can see the wisdom in the moderators delaying taking action in order to allow time for this.

Two days isn't enough time?

PTR can grow spiritually without causing scandal in the meantime. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: LouisIX on April 11, 2013, 11:12:21 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.

The will doesn't matter.  That's between the person committing the act and God.  The public act, however, does matter.  Any reasonable person could tell you that these pictures are immodest.  That's what matters, that's all that matters.  In charity, they should be taken down.

If the mod team refuses to take them down, they can at least edit the title of the thread with a warning.  I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

I've agreed with you that they should be taken down, but that decision ultimately rests with KK, who I'm sure will deal with them prudently.

But that wasn't really the point.  Alphonsus asked why Peter wasn't being threatened with a ban.  He didn't intend to scandalize or be a jerk to anyone.  Maybe he made a mistake by posting these, but there's no ill will towards anyone.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 11:26:20 PM
For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

I agree that we need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them. It's strange though that you'd say this, because you're being most uncharitable towards me.

First, you just judged my interior state, implying that I was of bad will.

Second, you twisted what I said. I never said that I'd "purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here." Here's precisely what I said:

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Another excellent traditional idea for revival involves women knowing their place, which generally excludes their participation in debate or appointment of themselves as cops. Reminder: Reject the Outrage Imperative. The measure of your shock at that statement is a measure of your processing.

Rest assured, Jayne K, the more you and any other women here try to police me, the more "offensive" I'll get. You've stepped into the arena and shall be treated accordingly.


To see what I was responding to, go here: http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1934.msg31887#msg31887 (http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1934.msg31887#msg31887)

Do you say that public debate is a traditionally muliebral activity? Or law enforcement?

Now, notice that my use of the word offensive included quotes. This was related to the immediately preceding sentence: "The measure of your shock at that statement is a measure of your processing." In other words, I'd continue to speak the unvarnished truth - e.g., calling fatties fatties when generally referring to fatties - and if any women were to become offended by such truths, this would be an indication to them that they need to look to their own processing, not to shoot the messenger, and thus raise themselves higher. And then when I say, "You've stepped into the arena and shall be treated accordingly," I'm simply saying that I'll treat women who act as men as I would any other man, which may include saying indelicate things.

Instead, you've put the harshest possible construction on my words. This is not a hermeneutic of charity.

Third, though you rightly advocate charity towards others here, you single me out while you ignore all of the personal attacks against me. Why don't you exhort them to charity towards me, attacked as I am from every direction?

Moreover, why haven't any of you moderators contacted me privately before you issue your threats, as would be the gentlemanly/noble thing to do?
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 11:27:21 PM
I can't believe that we have to try to to convince you guys that these pictures shouldn't be on here.

Yes, it's truly incredible.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Der Kaiser on April 11, 2013, 11:30:30 PM
She may not 'look' like a whore full on (her face is not gaunt and hollow, she doesn't look 'dirty') but she is dressed the part.

Actually for most of todays stars she is dressed modestly in those pics.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Der Kaiser on April 11, 2013, 11:32:32 PM
I agree that they probably should be taken down.  My desensitization doesn't affect the eyes of others, especially younger lads.  I remember being 15 once.

Better safe than sorry.  My two cents.

It's very strange that in the "Dove Bar Tyranny" thread I'm being threatened with banishment while the poster of these pictures isn't. I'm not saying he should be banished or even threatened with the prospect, but I find it very strange that I am being so threatened and yet he - along with, by the way, the pack of wolves personally attacking me in that thread - isn't. I'm very confused.

I am too.

For better or worse, Peter posted his pictures in good will.  I don't understand how you can't see the difference between that and threatening to purposefully be offensive to women because they don't have a place here.  We need to be charitable to others here, even if we disagree with them.

Again, we have a female moderator.  I don't know what you expected.

And after seeing many of PTR's celeb pics back in my Baskerville FE days its nice to know that this one (Carrie Underwood) is at least out of her tween-early teens.   ;)

I keed PTR...sort of...
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 11:34:45 PM
Actually for most of todays stars she is dressed modestly in those pics.

True. Then again by today's standards Jack the Ripper was a humanitarian. Such is our fall into the abyss.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 11, 2013, 11:44:48 PM
This is now a six page thread for a 2 day old post. 

I can count on one hand how many times this post has been reported for containing graphic/obscene/alluring photos in it:
(https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkattyskitchen.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F03%2Fholding-goose-egg21.jpg&hash=2064da1709fdf1f2ff1f04dd803e26df3fe0ada6)

But instead, you people chose to promote this thread's visibility by making it a six page thread.  You chose to ignore the very useful "Report to moderator" button on every post. 

If something is serious enough to merit the mod staff's attention, it should be reported.  It's really easy and convenient.  You press the button, you post why a post should be dealt with, and then it gets emailed to the mod staff, and then we deal with it. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Alphonsus Jr. on April 11, 2013, 11:47:08 PM
But instead, you people chose to promote this thread's visibility by making it a six page thread.  You chose to ignore the very useful "Report to moderator" button on every post. 

But precisely because of its high visibility it's been on your radar screen all along, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Archer on April 12, 2013, 12:19:08 AM
I agree with you.  This clothing is acceptable to main stream culture.  And, even though we are heavily influenced by this culture, somehow we need to learn more godly standards.  This is extremely difficult, especially since so many of us have become desensitized.  It is like relearning to see.

I like the idea of taking down the pictures.  To me it symbolizes our rejection of society's standard of clothing and our resolve to develop one that is pleasing to God.

This is a good post Jayne.

You needn't sound so surprised.  :tongue:

Thanks.

Not surprised, just sincere.  ;)
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 12, 2013, 12:33:19 AM
Some of the posts here remind me of people that think it's OK to rape a woman or at least that the rape is excusable because she was dressed like that.

Not at all. We're simply not surprised that when a deer presents herself to a wolf pack as prey, she gets treated accordingly. More than ever, the world is populated by many wolves inflamed with lust at every moment. Thus we're not surprised when those who present themselves to the world as nickel strumpets are treated accordingly. We wish it didn't happen, but we're not surprised when it does.

I don't know how this slipped in here, but this is offensive.  First, how you say the bolded, and then two minutes later post the below is beyond me:
I highly doubt Carrie Underwood is at the top of most men's lust list

Nor is the corner penny hooker.


Second, there is no excuse for rape and/or sexual assault.  Good, decent Catholic men should ABHOR your notion.  We SHOULD be surprised and offended at sin in ALL cases.  We SHOULD fight against it.  It is repulsive and sick.  How you can lessen that is disgusting.
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Kaesekopf on April 12, 2013, 12:43:59 AM
But instead, you people chose to promote this thread's visibility by making it a six page thread.  You chose to ignore the very useful "Report to moderator" button on every post. 

But precisely because of its high visibility it's been on your radar screen all along, hasn't it?

By your logic, then it has also been highly visible to men who could be tempted to sin, thus completely negating any benefit of me seeing it. 
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: OCLittleFlower on April 12, 2013, 03:23:03 AM
Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

Would you let a hypothetical 15-year-old son near a beach or a Novus Ordo church?   :tongue:
Title: Re: Carrie Underwood concert
Post by: Petertherock on April 12, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
Again, I will say I have seen women and girls dressed like that on the beach...and even worse, at NO Churches. I am not saying it's right...but you can't make believe this dress is something outside of main stream culture.

Would you let a hypothetical 15-year-old son near a beach or a Novus Ordo church?   :tongue:

Haha good one!