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#91
Arts and Leisure / Re: Is [i]The Lord of the Ring...
Last post by misericonfit - May 16, 2024, 07:33:25 PMAnswer: It is profoundly Catholic.
One of the best proofs of this, is the series of essays about it - and about the legendarium generally - on the website "The Flame Imperishable": https://jonathansmcintosh.wordpress.com/ which is "A blog about Tolkien, St. Thomas, and other purveyors of the Philosophia Perennis." The emphasis is very strongly on Tolkien and the legendarium.
That the legendarium is Catholic in spirit, emerges from the implied docttines of Providence. free will, and the interplay between them.
That Melkor cannot create, but can only pervert, presupposes the doctrine that evil is a parasite upon good. That this is so, is shown throughout the legendarium.
Aragorn is, in almost all respects, the ideal Catholic Monarch. He even dies well.
Gollum's craving for the Ring is a study in excessive "attachment to things of earth". It is one of many examples in which characters fail to "put their loves in order". Morgoth fails to do so. Feänor fails to do so. The Numenoreans eventually fail to do so. Saruman fails to do so. Gollum fails to do so. Boromir fails to do so.
There is a respect for hallowed places as special, and not to be put to "common" uses. This comes out in the description of the Meneltarma, the holy mountain of Numenor. It is so sacred that it is climbed only thrice in the year. No-one speaks on its top but the King alone, and only to give thanks to Eru Iluvatar. In Minas Tirith, Rath Dinen, the "Silent Street", is reserved for the tombs of the Kings & the Stewards, and no speech is permitted. Great respect is shown by the cultures of Elves & Men to the remains of the dead.
There is only One Creator. The Ainur, the "holy ones", are "the offspring of his thought"; and their power to make is purely sub-creative. They can sub-create well, only in dependence on their Creator; when they try, like Melkor, to set up on their own, their power of sub-creation becomes no more than a power to tyrannise and pervert and ruin both those who are less than they, and themselves.
These are just some of the indications of the theological, philosophical & religious character of the books.
One of the best proofs of this, is the series of essays about it - and about the legendarium generally - on the website "The Flame Imperishable": https://jonathansmcintosh.wordpress.com/ which is "A blog about Tolkien, St. Thomas, and other purveyors of the Philosophia Perennis." The emphasis is very strongly on Tolkien and the legendarium.
That the legendarium is Catholic in spirit, emerges from the implied docttines of Providence. free will, and the interplay between them.
That Melkor cannot create, but can only pervert, presupposes the doctrine that evil is a parasite upon good. That this is so, is shown throughout the legendarium.
Aragorn is, in almost all respects, the ideal Catholic Monarch. He even dies well.
Gollum's craving for the Ring is a study in excessive "attachment to things of earth". It is one of many examples in which characters fail to "put their loves in order". Morgoth fails to do so. Feänor fails to do so. The Numenoreans eventually fail to do so. Saruman fails to do so. Gollum fails to do so. Boromir fails to do so.
There is a respect for hallowed places as special, and not to be put to "common" uses. This comes out in the description of the Meneltarma, the holy mountain of Numenor. It is so sacred that it is climbed only thrice in the year. No-one speaks on its top but the King alone, and only to give thanks to Eru Iluvatar. In Minas Tirith, Rath Dinen, the "Silent Street", is reserved for the tombs of the Kings & the Stewards, and no speech is permitted. Great respect is shown by the cultures of Elves & Men to the remains of the dead.
There is only One Creator. The Ainur, the "holy ones", are "the offspring of his thought"; and their power to make is purely sub-creative. They can sub-create well, only in dependence on their Creator; when they try, like Melkor, to set up on their own, their power of sub-creation becomes no more than a power to tyrannise and pervert and ruin both those who are less than they, and themselves.
These are just some of the indications of the theological, philosophical & religious character of the books.
#92
The Bookstore / Re: RULE/MARTYROLOGY THREAD
Last post by OmniaInstaurareInChristo - May 16, 2024, 07:30:08 PMThe reading appointed from the Rule of St. Benedict for May 17:
CHAPTER III
Of calling the Brethren to Council
As often as any important matters have to be transacted in the monastery, let the Abbot call together the whole community, and himself declare what is the question to be settled. And, having heard the counsel of the brethren, let him consider within himself, and then do what he shall judge most expedient. We have said that all should be called to council, because it is often to the younger that the Lord revealeth what is best. But let the brethren give their advice with all subjection and humility, and not presume stubbornly to defend their own opinion; but rather let the matter rest with the Abbot's discretion, that all may submit to whatever he shall judge to be best. Yet, even as it becometh disciples to obey their master, so doth it behove him to order all things prudently and with justice.
Martyrology-May 18th
Roman Martyrology-May 18th- on this date in various years-
At Camerino, the holy martyr Venantius, who, at fifteen years of age, along with ten others, ended a glorious ordeal by being beheaded under Emperor Decius and the governor Antiochus.
The birthday of St. John I, pope and martyr, who was called to Ravenna by the Arian king of Italy, Theodoric, and died there after being in prison a long time for the true faith. His feast, however, is celebrated on the 27th of May, the day on which his revered body was taken to Rome and buried in the basilica of St. Peter, prince of the apostles.
At Spoleto, St. Felix, a bishop who obtained the palm of martyrdom under Emperor Maximian.
At Heraclea in Egypt, Bishop St. Potamon, first a confessor under Maximian Galerius, and afterwards, a martyr under Emperor Constantius, and the Arian governor Philagrius. Athanasius and Epiphanius, Fathers of the Church, have sung the praises of this holy man.
In Egypt, St. Dioscorus, a lector, who was subjected by the governor to many and diverse torments, such as the tearing off of his nails and the burning of his sides with torches; but a light from heaven having prostrated the executioners, the saint's martyrdom was finally ended by having red-hot metal plates applied to his body.
At Ancyra in Galatia, the martyr St. Theodotus, and the holy virgins Thecusa, his aunt, Alexandra, Claudia, Faina, Euphrasia, Matrona, and Julitta. They were at first taken to a place of debauchery, but the power of God prevented them from evil, and they later had stones fastened to their necks and were plunged into a lake. For gathering the remains and burying them honorably, Theodotus was arrested by the governor, and after having been horribly lacerated, was put to the sword, and thus received the crown of martyrdom.
At Upsal in Sweden, St. Eric, king and martyr.
At Rome, St. Felix, confessor of the Order of Friars Minor Capuchin, celebrated for his evangelical simplicity and charity. He was inscribed on the roll of the saints by the Sovereign Pontiff Clement XI.
And elsewhere in divers places, many other holy martyrs, confessors, and holy virgins.
R. Thanks be to God.
CHAPTER III
Of calling the Brethren to Council
As often as any important matters have to be transacted in the monastery, let the Abbot call together the whole community, and himself declare what is the question to be settled. And, having heard the counsel of the brethren, let him consider within himself, and then do what he shall judge most expedient. We have said that all should be called to council, because it is often to the younger that the Lord revealeth what is best. But let the brethren give their advice with all subjection and humility, and not presume stubbornly to defend their own opinion; but rather let the matter rest with the Abbot's discretion, that all may submit to whatever he shall judge to be best. Yet, even as it becometh disciples to obey their master, so doth it behove him to order all things prudently and with justice.
Martyrology-May 18th
Roman Martyrology-May 18th- on this date in various years-
At Camerino, the holy martyr Venantius, who, at fifteen years of age, along with ten others, ended a glorious ordeal by being beheaded under Emperor Decius and the governor Antiochus.
The birthday of St. John I, pope and martyr, who was called to Ravenna by the Arian king of Italy, Theodoric, and died there after being in prison a long time for the true faith. His feast, however, is celebrated on the 27th of May, the day on which his revered body was taken to Rome and buried in the basilica of St. Peter, prince of the apostles.
At Spoleto, St. Felix, a bishop who obtained the palm of martyrdom under Emperor Maximian.
At Heraclea in Egypt, Bishop St. Potamon, first a confessor under Maximian Galerius, and afterwards, a martyr under Emperor Constantius, and the Arian governor Philagrius. Athanasius and Epiphanius, Fathers of the Church, have sung the praises of this holy man.
In Egypt, St. Dioscorus, a lector, who was subjected by the governor to many and diverse torments, such as the tearing off of his nails and the burning of his sides with torches; but a light from heaven having prostrated the executioners, the saint's martyrdom was finally ended by having red-hot metal plates applied to his body.
At Ancyra in Galatia, the martyr St. Theodotus, and the holy virgins Thecusa, his aunt, Alexandra, Claudia, Faina, Euphrasia, Matrona, and Julitta. They were at first taken to a place of debauchery, but the power of God prevented them from evil, and they later had stones fastened to their necks and were plunged into a lake. For gathering the remains and burying them honorably, Theodotus was arrested by the governor, and after having been horribly lacerated, was put to the sword, and thus received the crown of martyrdom.
At Upsal in Sweden, St. Eric, king and martyr.
At Rome, St. Felix, confessor of the Order of Friars Minor Capuchin, celebrated for his evangelical simplicity and charity. He was inscribed on the roll of the saints by the Sovereign Pontiff Clement XI.
And elsewhere in divers places, many other holy martyrs, confessors, and holy virgins.
R. Thanks be to God.
#93
Arts and Leisure / Re: Last movie you saw?
Last post by misericonfit - May 16, 2024, 07:02:03 PMTimetrap - just this evening.
Before that: 2012.
Before that: 2012.
#94
Arts and Leisure / Re: What are you currently rea...
Last post by misericonfit - May 16, 2024, 07:00:32 PMVergil, Aeneid, Book 6.
W. E. Gladstone, Studies on Vergil, vol.3, 1858
L. Schmitz, Aeneidos libri priores sex, 1879
Review of the Calvinist Creed, R. Allan, 1846
The Calvinist Doctrine of Predestination, F. Hodgson, 1855
How to Drink Tea, S. Wildish
The two books on Calvinism are critiques; both of them quote at length what they critise.
W. E. Gladstone, Studies on Vergil, vol.3, 1858
L. Schmitz, Aeneidos libri priores sex, 1879
Review of the Calvinist Creed, R. Allan, 1846
The Calvinist Doctrine of Predestination, F. Hodgson, 1855
How to Drink Tea, S. Wildish
The two books on Calvinism are critiques; both of them quote at length what they critise.
#95
Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Annulment question
Last post by Michael Wilson - May 16, 2024, 05:16:42 PMThe question you ask is quite common here in the U.S. Because of the high rate of divorce; but again a marriage between two baptized people is considered a Sacrament and therefore cannot be dissolved; Now if the above mentioned Protestants had made some public declaration before they married that they were only going to do so for a limited number of years; or that they were not intending to have any children; then that would put into doubt their intention to enter into a permanent union or for the primary end of matrimony.
#96
General Catholic Discussion / Re: Message to Vigano and Burk...
Last post by Michael Wilson - May 16, 2024, 05:09:36 PMQuote from: james03 on May 14, 2024, 10:36:38 AM"Taking conciliar custom into consideration and also the pastoral purpose of the present Council, the sacred Council defines as binding on the Church only those things in matters of faith and morals which it shall openly declare to be binding. The rest of the things which the sacred Council sets forth, inasmuch as they are the teaching of the Church's supreme magisterium, ought to be accepted and embraced by each and every one of Christ's faithful according to the mind of the sacred Council. The mind of the Council becomes known either from the matter treated or from its manner of speaking, in accordance with the norms of theological interpretation."The documents of a Council do not have to state "these are binding" in order to be binding. The "Chapters" of a Council where the doctrine of the Church is set forth are equally binding as the "Canons" which contain the condemnation of the errors.
It is enough for the Council to teach that a certain doctrine is contained in Sacred Scripture or revealed by God such as VII, D.H. #2:
QuoteThe council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself.(2) This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.
Notice Religious Liberty is part of revelation and also in accord with right reason.
In fact all the documents of a Council are binding to Catholics even if not all of them are binding "de fide". Catholics are bound to give assent not only to the solemn pronouncements of the magisterium, but also those of the ordinary magisterium; IX in Quanta Cura:
QuoteNor can we pass over in silence the audacity of those who, not enduring sound doctrine, contend that "without sin and without any sacrifice of the Catholic profession assent and obedience may be refused to those judgments and decrees of the Apostolic See, whose object is declared to concern the Church's general good and her rights and discipline, so only it does not touch the dogmata of faith and morals." But no one can be found not clearly and distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogma of the full power given from God by Christ our Lord Himself to the Roman Pontiff of feeding, ruling and guiding the Universal Church.Notice that Catholics are not only bound by dogmas of faith and morals but also those concerning the general rights and discipline of the Church.
Even more in the Syllabus, Pius IX condemned the opinion that Catholics are only bound to to those matters proposed infallibly by the Church:
Quote22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. — Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, "Tuas libenter," Dec. 21, 1863.Pius XII in Humani Generis, condemned those who claimed that the teachings of Encyclicals could be disregarded as the Pope was not using his full teaching authority:
Quote20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the same Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.
#97
General Catholic Discussion / Re: Message to Vigano and Burk...
Last post by Hannelore - May 16, 2024, 04:52:10 PMI can tell you were in the Navy, Laus.
#98
General Catholic Discussion / Re: Message to Vigano and Burk...
Last post by Bonaventure - May 16, 2024, 03:26:16 PM #99
General Catholic Discussion / Re: Marian Friars Minor
Last post by LausTibiChriste - May 16, 2024, 03:06:03 PMGood talk y'all
#100
Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Annulment question
Last post by Bataar - May 16, 2024, 02:43:52 PMLet's say a protestant woman marries a protestant man in a protestant service. They don't get the same training / lessons that Catholics do prior to marriage and in the back of their mind, they get married believing if things don't work out, divorce is an option. Let's say that later on this couple does divorce and one of them, after the divorce becomes a Catholic and would like to be married in the church if they ever meet someone. Hypothetically, would this person be able to receive a valid annulment? Obviously none of us can state with 100% certainty (I don't think) so I'm just looking to see what people generally assume.