Fr. Paul Kramer - The Coming Schism

[King Wenceslas]

Francis is an alien who is outside the Church.

A minority of Cardinals and Bishops will call council and declare Francis a heretic and outside the Church. The Council will then appoint those who will elect a new Pope.

Separation. Large Visible anti-Church. Small Underground but True Church.

Most Trads (SSPX, FSSP, ICSK) stay in anti-Church (My opinion). For the most part Trad Catholic Bloggers stay with anti-Church.

Pius XIII?

[Greg]

This has already happened with Pope Michael.  And before them SVs, Old Catholics and Palmar de Troya

Unless the SSPX with their 600+ priests joins the newly declared Pope then it is just three wacky bishops.

Besides I doubt there are 3 bishops inside the Roman hierarchy who have any balls.

[Padraig]

A bunch of Vatican II modernists break away from Francis. I fail to see how that would constitute a hidden "True Church."

[Baylee]

Francis is an alien who is outside the Church.

So was Ratzinger.

[King Wenceslas]

Six months ago, Father Kramer saying what he believes will happen.

He says Sisco and Salza will stay with anti-Church.

Francis's religion is pure masonism. He presents just enough Catholicism to deceive the sleeping Catholics to believe he is a Catholic.

Coming is a false pope and a false religion. No valid sacraments. (Opinion: Similar to the Unitarian church. Anything goes except for the Catholic Faith.)

Enough Christian window dressing to deceive the ones who are asleep.

Proselytization will be outlawed by secular law. Yes, that is right, they will arrest you and throw you into the slammer.

[Michael Wilson]

Vatican II is the "anti-Church" "False Pope false religion, no sacraments" is been here since 1965-69 ffdd.

[Santantonio]

mp3 version

https://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_010623_hr3.mp3

The Vatican After The Death
Of The True Pope...Benedict XVI

Fr. Paul Kramer with Jeff Rense

[awkward customer]

Coming is a false pope and a false religion. No valid sacraments.

This has been the situation since Vatican II.

I seriously doubt that the NO Mass is valid.  Why would it be?

The one who holds (the Pope) was taken out of the way in 1958 so that the revolt (Vatican II) could happen.

Why would Christ be truly present at the Mass of the revolt.

Read Cardinal Manning's 'The Present Crisis of the Holy See'.

 

[AlNg]

I seriously doubt that the NO Mass is valid.  Why would it be?

Because if the NO is invalid, it would mean that hundreds of millions of Catholics have been deceived and are possibly guilty of idolatry since the NO Precious Bread is not the Body of Christ.

[awkward customer]

I seriously doubt that the NO Mass is valid.  Why would it be?

Because if the NO is invalid, it would mean that hundreds of millions of Catholics have been deceived and are possibly guilty of idolatry since the NO Precious Bread is not the Body of Christ.

Well, yes, it does mean that a great deception has taken place. 

Are you saying it could never happen?

But are the deceived culpable?  What about those who lapsed in great numbers as a result of Vatican II?  Many Catholics were deeply distressed by the VII changes, shattered even.  And then there were those who welcomed the changes with open arms and actively promoted them.  Let God decide who's culpable.

The question is - why would Christ be truly present at the mass of the revolt.  If Trads refuse to attend the NO Mass, why would Christ be there?

[Padraig]

I seriously doubt that the NO Mass is valid.  Why would it be?

Because if the NO is invalid, it would mean that hundreds of millions of Catholics have been deceived and are possibly guilty of idolatry since the NO Precious Bread is not the Body of Christ.

Hundreds of millions of Catholics no longer believe it IS the Precious Body and Blood so they can hardly be guilty of idolatry.

[Michael Wilson]

Or sacrilege.

[awkward customer]

Hundreds of millions of Catholics no longer believe it IS the Precious Body and Blood ......

Maybe they have a point.

[King Wenceslas]

The question is - why would Christ be truly present at the mass of the revolt.  If Trads refuse to attend the NO Mass, why would Christ be there?

Maybe to be with his children while his Church is going through its passion.

NO are Catholics also or do you say they are not?

Is the Church down to just 2 or 3 million now? Pretty bold thinking I would say for a layman to state that.

[Michael Wilson]

Its hard to state categorically, but based on the consistent responses from polls, it looks like only about 10% of those who attend the N.O. Still hold to the Catholic faith.