Who is left

Started by Chestertonian, August 27, 2018, 01:59:39 AM

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Chestertonian

Let's say Francis is deposed or is declared an antipope or abdicates

Who is left in the college of Cardinals who can shepherd us?   Would Benedict be pope... Is he not the worst pope apart from Francis
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Xavier

Pope Benedict XVI would be ok, but 4 good ones I can think of off the top of my head are Cardinals +Burke, +Sarah, +Ejik and +Ranjith. Some have been friendly to Tradition. Others have been critical of Pope Francis; or are generally anti-modernist in thought. It's a long shot, as there are many bad Cardinals, but with a lot of prayer, a good one can definitely be elected. My hope is Cardinal Burke for next Pope.
Bible verses on walking blamelessly with God, after being forgiven from our former sins. Some verses here: https://dailyverses.net/blameless

"[2] He that walketh without blemish, and worketh justice:[3] He that speaketh truth in his heart, who hath not used deceit in his tongue: Nor hath done evil to his neighbour: nor taken up a reproach against his neighbours.(Psalm 14)

"[2] For in many things we all offend. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man."(James 3)

"[14] And do ye all things without murmurings and hesitations; [15] That you may be blameless, and sincere children of God, without reproof, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation; among whom you shine as lights in the world." (Phil 2:14-15)

John Lamb

One of the most promising things about this current crisis is that it might actually prompt the cardinals to elect a strong pope who won't merely cover over the Church's problems. I think the African Cardinal Sarah seems like the best candidate.
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LausTibiChriste

None of 'em. Theyre all Novus Ordoans and useless tits...particularly the "orthodox" ones
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Kaesekopf

Quote from: Xavier on August 27, 2018, 02:24:01 AM
Pope Benedict XVI would be ok, but 4 good ones I can think of off the top of my head are Cardinals +Burke, +Sarah, +Ejik and +Ranjith. Some have been friendly to Tradition. Others have been critical of Pope Francis; or are generally anti-modernist in thought. It's a long shot, as there are many bad Cardinals, but with a lot of prayer, a good one can definitely be elected. My hope is Cardinal Burke for next Pope.
Burke is the biggest do-nothing.

We need a man of decisive action, not words. 

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Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

Xavier

Kaese, I hope we won't take an all-or-nothing approach. Most of us support Trump and Pence. Not because they're perfect, but because they're good. Similarly, in the Church, please, let's not refuse to support good Cardinals who are not perfect. What better alternative do we have in the current 120 odd anyway? Is Bishop +Fellay or even Bishop +Schneider a Cardinal? A good Pope may even make SSPX or at least the conservative/semi-traditional N.O. Bishops into His Cardinals.  It's rapidly becoming worse with every passing year. 5 more years of this Pope and we'll be in a very sorry state. I believe under current law Cardinals are usually supposed to resign at 80 also. So that's a maximum of 10 more for +Burke (born in 1948) anyway, unless something changes. Imho, +Burke tried to do a few things but hardly has any power left now anyway. I like +Sarah also, John. Anybody reasonably Tradition-friendly is better than nothing. Please, Lord, not the status quo much longer.
Bible verses on walking blamelessly with God, after being forgiven from our former sins. Some verses here: https://dailyverses.net/blameless

"[2] He that walketh without blemish, and worketh justice:[3] He that speaketh truth in his heart, who hath not used deceit in his tongue: Nor hath done evil to his neighbour: nor taken up a reproach against his neighbours.(Psalm 14)

"[2] For in many things we all offend. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man."(James 3)

"[14] And do ye all things without murmurings and hesitations; [15] That you may be blameless, and sincere children of God, without reproof, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation; among whom you shine as lights in the world." (Phil 2:14-15)

Michael Wilson

Xavier,
if you think that Benedict XVI would be "ok", then i'm speechless and flabbergasted.
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Archer

Quote from: Xavier on August 27, 2018, 02:24:01 AM
Pope Benedict XVI would be ok, but 4 good ones I can think of off the top of my head are Cardinals +Burke, +Sarah, +Ejik and +Ranjith. Some have been friendly to Tradition. Others have been critical of Pope Francis; or are generally anti-modernist in thought. It's a long shot, as there are many bad Cardinals, but with a lot of prayer, a good one can definitely be elected. My hope is Cardinal Burke for next Pope.

Ratzinger is a modernist. M-O-D-E-R-N-I-S-T. Ergo he is part of the problem.
Just because someone likes incense or shiny things doesn't make them one of the good guys. Try wading into his theology sometime.

Burke? He would be more productive watching grass grow. The problem with the "reform of the reform" people like you is that you only scratch the surface. Is it shiny? "Ohhhh....squirrel!"

And please don't compare the Church to American politics again.  ::)
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Xavier

Michael, a name, then, of a candidate you would support. Don't tell me Bp. Sanborn. Realistically, the next Pope is only going to come from the college of Cardinals.

Archer, same question. You want my favorite candidate for next Pope? it's Bishop Fellay. But I'm a realist. That's not going to happen. We have to work with what we have. The Pope comes from the college of Cardinals, barring extraordinary divine intervention. We don't have a right to presume on the miraculous. Therefore, we have to work with the best candidates in the Church through the ordinary channels.
Bible verses on walking blamelessly with God, after being forgiven from our former sins. Some verses here: https://dailyverses.net/blameless

"[2] He that walketh without blemish, and worketh justice:[3] He that speaketh truth in his heart, who hath not used deceit in his tongue: Nor hath done evil to his neighbour: nor taken up a reproach against his neighbours.(Psalm 14)

"[2] For in many things we all offend. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man."(James 3)

"[14] And do ye all things without murmurings and hesitations; [15] That you may be blameless, and sincere children of God, without reproof, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation; among whom you shine as lights in the world." (Phil 2:14-15)

Kaesekopf

Quote from: Xavier on August 27, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
Kaese, I hope we won't take an all-or-nothing approach. Most of us support Trump and Pence. Not because they're perfect, but because they're good. Similarly, in the Church, please, let's not refuse to support good Cardinals who are not perfect. What better alternative do we have in the current 120 odd anyway? Is Bishop +Fellay or even Bishop +Schneider a Cardinal? A good Pope may even make SSPX or at least the conservative/semi-traditional N.O. Bishops into His Cardinals.  It's rapidly becoming worse with every passing year. 5 more years of this Pope and we'll be in a very sorry state. I believe under current law Cardinals are usually supposed to resign at 80 also. So that's a maximum of 10 more for +Burke (born in 1948) anyway, unless something changes. Imho, +Burke tried to do a few things but hardly has any power left now anyway. I like +Sarah also, John. Anybody reasonably Tradition-friendly is better than nothing. Please, Lord, not the status quo much longer.

If we're talking about the sitting Pontiff going down for covering up rape and abuse, hell yea I'm taking the all-or-nothing approach.

Let them roast over their sodomitical ways while the real men rebuild the Church. 

Burke is useless, Sarah is a token and even more useless.  Ranjith was the only one in your list that I'd look at.

And, frankly, if the College elected Bergy, it shows how rife with queers it is and it needs to be purged anyways.
Wie dein Sonntag, so dein Sterbetag.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.  ~Treebeard, LOTR

Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

Greg

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I'll cancel their pensions and spend it on this.

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clau clau

Let's elect a Pope who resigned.  What could possibly go wrong?

Father time has an undefeated record.

But when he's dumb and no more here,
Nineteen hundred years or near,
Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
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LausTibiChriste

Im totally down for the election of Patriarch Kirill as bishop of Rome
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St.Justin

Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

Heinrich

Sarah appears to be the most papable. He just has that look: one of a firm and solid disposition. He ministers at the Chartres pilgrimage. Can we imagine a saintly pope, in the (spiritual) image of his predecessors, of subsaharan/west African ethnicity?
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