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Title: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: tmw89 on September 08, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
Have you read Archbishop Lefebvre's Letter to Confused Catholics?  That's always a great starting-point.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 08, 2014, 07:07:31 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on September 08, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
Have you read Archbishop Lefebvre's Letter to Confused Catholics?  That's always a great starting-point.

This was the book that immediately sprang to my mind also.  Since tmw and I are pretty much on opposing ends of the trad spectrum, anything on which we agree acquires a certain significance.  :)

It is available online: http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/ (http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Kaesekopf on September 08, 2014, 07:11:57 PM
If you have a Kindle (or another ereader and the Calibre software), I have created an eBook from the SSPXAsia OLtCC.

It is attached to this post.

(Note, I created this before Angelus Press offered Open Letter to Confused Catholics in eBook format... it's only $6, and I highly recommend it.  AP offers great eBooks for SO cheap!)
http://www.amazon.com/Open-Letter-Confused-Catholics-ebook/dp/B007BV8V2U/ref=sr_1_9?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1336427806&sr=1-9
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Chestertonian on September 08, 2014, 07:14:40 PM
fisheaters.com haa a lot of resourc

books by michael davies es
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:18:22 PM
Thank you! I will check those out.

Kaesekopf, unfortunately I do not have an ereader.

Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Sbyvl36 on September 08, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)

You should start at my blog: sbyvl.wordpress.com (http://sbyvl.wordpress.com)

and follow me on Twitter. @Sbyvl.

You'll learn a lot and laugh a lot.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:28:01 PM
I'm not on twitter (CAF and now SD is as "social media" as I get lol) but will definitely read your blog. :)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Recovering NOer on September 08, 2014, 07:29:42 PM
Quote from: Chestertonian on September 08, 2014, 07:14:40 PM
fisheaters.com [has] a lot of [resources]

Yeah, just stay clear of the forum.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Sbyvl36 on September 08, 2014, 07:30:56 PM
Quote from: Recovering NOer on September 08, 2014, 07:29:42 PM
Quote from: Chestertonian on September 08, 2014, 07:14:40 PM
fisheaters.com [has] a lot of [resources]

Yeah, just stay clear of the forum.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: tmw89 on September 08, 2014, 07:32:46 PM
Also check out stuff from this stickied thread:  http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1893.0 (http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1893.0)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 08, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:28:01 PM
I'm not on twitter (CAF and now SD is as "social media" as I get lol) but will definitely read your blog. :)

Keep in mind that his blog is from a sedevacantist perspective and that many trads, like myself, disagree with much of what he writes. Open Letter to Confused Catholics really makes a much better introduction to traditional Catholicism.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Sbyvl36 on September 08, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
Quote from: Jayne on September 08, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:28:01 PM
I'm not on twitter (CAF and now SD is as "social media" as I get lol) but will definitely read your blog. :)

Keep in mind that his blog is from a sedevacantist perspective and that many trads, like myself, disagree with much of what he writes. Open Letter to Confused Catholics really makes a much better introduction to traditional Catholicism.

Why do you insist upon "warning" people that I am a sede?  Vanna knows very well that I am SV, as that is what I was talking about on CAF. 
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Armor of Light on September 08, 2014, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on September 08, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
Have you read Archbishop Lefebvre's Letter to Confused Catholics?  That's always a great starting-point.

Yes. Great intro to trad-dom! I wish I could have met that guy...

I share your beginning somewhat...about the intimidation factor that is. Smart people and well read for sure. There is room for dummies too!

After all, how can you rear (not raise) all the children that come from a traditional marriage and have time to read all those books?  :P
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: Armor of Light on September 08, 2014, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: tmw89 on September 08, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
Have you read Archbishop Lefebvre's Letter to Confused Catholics?  That's always a great starting-point.

Yes. Great intro to trad-dom! I wish I could have met that guy...

I share your beginning somewhat...about the intimidation factor that is. Smart people and well read for sure. There is room for dummies too!

After all, how can you rear (not raise) all the children that come from a traditional marriage and have time to read all those books?  :P

:) Well, I was just blessed with 2 to rear...one who is off to college but the youngest is surprisingly time-consuming. lol

I've already started on the Letter to Confused Catholics. ;) I enjoy the tone so far.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Kaesekopf on September 08, 2014, 07:56:37 PM
It is a wonderful book.

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Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 09, 2014, 09:05:59 AM
I am now on Chapter 4 of Open Letter to Confused Catholics. This is truly eye opening. I am understanding why you believe the way you do. I am also feeling very convicted...which is a good thing. How often have I reduced God to my level? Made Him my equal? So many times. I never understood the deep reverence for the Lord that was in place before Vatican II within the Mass.

When I was going through RCIA, Archbishop Naumann held a mass for us. He spoke of absolute truths. He said that there are absolute truths and society tries very hard to make everything a shade of gray...but isn't that what Vatican II did? Take absolute truths and either water them down or completely erase them. I do not understand how infallible doctrine can be changed...wouldn't that be saying it wasn't correct? Thus making it fallible?

Please pray that God gives me the capacity to understand, the ability to discern, and the bravery to always follow Him.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Kaesekopf on September 09, 2014, 09:57:39 AM
These are good questions.  :)

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Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Parresia on September 09, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
In addition to +Lefebvre's excellent book which has been recommended above, I strongly encourage you to consider the following:


The Second Vatican Council: An Unwritten Story – Dr. Roberto de Mattei
Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI - Fr. Anthony Cekada
Iota Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the Twentieth Century - Romano Amerio


+Pax
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Parresia on September 09, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
In addition to +Lefebvre's excellent book which has been recommended above, I strongly encourage you to consider the following:


The Second Vatican Council: An Unwritten Story – Dr. Roberto de Mattei
Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI - Fr. Anthony Cekada
Iota Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the Twentieth Century - Romano Amerio

I have long thought that you are an extremely smart person, Parresia, but I must increase my estimate of your intelligence even more if you consider the above to be works suitable for a "dummy".  Personally, I would classify them as challenging and advanced, although I agree that they are informative and thorough. 

I suggest that a beginner start with the video overviews of Work of Human Hands and then move onto the book.  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDA085477E90AC096 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDA085477E90AC096)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 10:37:06 AM
Vanna, you had mentioned in other posts that you have access to attending the TLM.  Have you been able to attend yet?  There is more to traditional Catholicism than intellectual understanding.  If you experience the TLM and traditional devotions, you will be better able to grasp how seriously wrong it is to deprive people of these things.  I do not want to discourage you from reading, but do not limit yourself to it.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 09, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
Our priest is on leave (conference and vacation) until October. There will be no Latin Mass while he is gone. I will definitely attend when it resumes.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 11:32:34 AM
A good book for learning about the Mass is Know Your Mass which was written for children, but I found it very helpful too.  I found a pdf for it or you can buy a real book:http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/06/26/12-34-30_0.pdf (http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/06/26/12-34-30_0.pdf)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Sbyvl36 on September 09, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
I really am glad that Vanna Grace has discovered Tradition.  I believe her faith will be all the stronger now.  As an aside, I have shared with her my "10 Tips for New Trads", which is available upon request.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Lynne on September 09, 2014, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 11:32:34 AM
A good book for learning about the Mass is Know Your Mass which was written for children, but I found it very helpful too.  I found a pdf for it or you can buy a real book:http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/06/26/12-34-30_0.pdf (http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/06/26/12-34-30_0.pdf)

That is SO excellent!
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Bernadette on September 09, 2014, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 11:32:34 AM
A good book for learning about the Mass is Know Your Mass which was written for children, but I found it very helpful too.  I found a pdf for it or you can buy a real book:http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/06/26/12-34-30_0.pdf (http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/06/26/12-34-30_0.pdf)

Jayne! I love you for this!  ;D :grouphug:
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 12:01:26 PM
I am pretty pleased with myself for finding it too.  ;D  This has got to be one of the best introductory books to the Mass there is and I am very happy to find it online.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 09, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
I have The Mass for Children but am not sure if it's traditional. It was published in 1990, so doubtful?

I will check out Know Your Mass.

**side note - have been discussing this with my husband and he's getting fired up (in a positive way) about all of this. I'm so excited for the first time in a long time. Thank you everyone.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 12:23:58 PM
That is wonderful that your husband is getting excited about this with you.  It can be hard on a marriage when only one spouse becomes interested in tradition.  It will be great if the two of you can make this journey together.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Lynne on September 09, 2014, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 09, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
I have The Mass for Children but am not sure if it's traditional. It was published in 1990, so doubtful?

I will check out Know Your Mass.

**side note - have been discussing this with my husband and he's getting fired up (in a positive way) about all of this. I'm so excited for the first time in a long time. Thank you everyone.

It should be apparent rather quickly if it describes the new Mass or the TLM. I'm betting it describes the new one.

The link that Jayne posted is a pdf. You can buy it as a hard copy from Angelus Press in addition to the place that hosts the pdf. I think their printed version is abridged.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Parresia on September 09, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Parresia on September 09, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
In addition to +Lefebvre's excellent book which has been recommended above, I strongly encourage you to consider the following:


The Second Vatican Council: An Unwritten Story – Dr. Roberto de Mattei
Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI - Fr. Anthony Cekada
Iota Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the Twentieth Century - Romano Amerio

I have long thought that you are an extremely smart person, Parresia, but I must increase my estimate of your intelligence even more if you consider the above to be works suitable for a "dummy".  Personally, I would classify them as challenging and advanced, although I agree that they are informative and thorough. 

I suggest that a beginner start with the video overviews of Work of Human Hands and then move onto the book.  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDA085477E90AC096 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDA085477E90AC096)

I did not take the OP's statement on "dummies" literately, but rather as a statement of ignorance as to the scope of the situation and seeking guidance on how to learn more about it.  Having said that, I did find the videos that Fr. Cekada put together to be very helpful.   
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 09, 2014, 12:48:55 PM
I'm not sure if the problem is that Iota Unum is a very dense book or just that I feel very dense when I try to read it.   ;D

I cannot, however, argue about it being a very good book.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Maximilian on September 09, 2014, 05:39:28 PM
The reference to children's books reminded me that the best introduction to the traditional Catholic Faith I encountered were the series of children's books by Mary Fabyan Windeatt. By reading them aloud to children I learned so much about the traditional Catholic Faith, more than the children I'm sure.

This is a link to the entire 20-book set which is a very good bargain. However, TAN sells the books individually as well.

https://tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/417
(https://tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/417)

(Which reminds me, if you just go to TAN and read their "classics" (avoid all the new stuff), you will soon know everything there is to learn from the saints.)

The Mary Fabyan Windeatt books are written at a level that children can comprehend as far as vocabulary and grammar, however, the spiritual concepts are expressed without any watering down.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Chestertonian on September 09, 2014, 05:48:57 PM
Why not new stuff
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: LausTibiChriste on September 09, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Heresy of Formlessness by Martin Mosebach was instrumental in getting me to go full-blown Trad. It's an extremely strong argument for the Latin Mass based more on subjective standards (by that I mean, fruits of the Mass, beauty, etc) rather than scientific theological arguments, which appealed greatly to me.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Chestertonian on September 09, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
When I was in the process of converting, an older man from my parish gave me a copy of a mass from the 1940's narrated by Archbishop Fulton Sheen.  Available for you to watch on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erj24PS78-I

what stuck with me, was how DIFFERENT this video was from the actual Mass I was attending every week as an RCIA candidate.  I must have watched this video over and over again.  Fulton Sheen narrates it beautifully, emphasizing the ancientness and beauty of the Mass and the sacrificial nature.  there is an orchestra, and a men and boys' choir.  Once I thought I'd go to the Cathedral of Mary Our Queen in Baltimore, thinkng I would go to Sunday Mass and it would be a big beautiful ceremony.  IT was a lot of the same dumbed down hokeyness of the novus ordo, with a bit more stained glass and some more talented singers wasting their talents on Shepherd Me, O God.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Lynne on September 10, 2014, 03:40:11 AM
Quote from: Chestertonian on September 09, 2014, 05:48:57 PM
Why not new stuff

It's probably infected with Modernism. Yes, even Tan...  :(
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Kaesekopf on September 10, 2014, 06:36:51 AM
Quote from: LausTibiChriste on September 09, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Heresy of Formlessness by Martin Mosebach was instrumental in getting me to go full-blown Trad. It's an extremely strong argument for the Latin Mass based more on subjective standards (by that I mean, fruits of the Mass, beauty, etc) rather than scientific theological arguments, which appealed greatly to me.
Just ignore fessio's useless preface.

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Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Kaesekopf on September 10, 2014, 06:37:51 AM
Quote from: Lynne on September 10, 2014, 03:40:11 AM
Quote from: Chestertonian on September 09, 2014, 05:48:57 PM
Why not new stuff

It's probably infected with Modernism. Yes, even Tan...  :(
That's what happens when you dont pay your bills and not sell the shop to Angelus Press....  lol

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Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Arun on September 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM



Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)

i'm on this board and i'm nowhere near intimidatingly intelligent...
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Parresia on September 10, 2014, 09:27:58 AM
Dare we compare the Masses?

A series comparing the TLM to the NO.  Here is part 1.  The rest can be found in links on the right of the website. 

http://catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2013/07/dare-we-compare-masses-part-i.html
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Vanna Grace on September 10, 2014, 09:42:04 AM
Just finished Open Letter. :( It breaks my heart. How far have we fallen when the Church conforms to society instead of the Church setting the standard for society to follow? Is everything under God's sun to become permissible? Everything is ok?

Much to pray about.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Lynne on September 10, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: Arun on September 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM



Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)

i'm on this board and i'm nowhere near intimidatingly intelligent...

Me neither!  :)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 10, 2014, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: Arun on September 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM



Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)

i'm on this board and i'm nowhere near intimidatingly intelligent...

That's OK.  You are intimidating other ways.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Chestertonian on September 10, 2014, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: Arun on September 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM



Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)

i'm on this board and i'm nowhere near intimidatingly intelligent...

Me neither..my attention span is shot.  Today I read her yertle the turtle, the very hungry Caterpillar,mike milligan and his steam shovel and two magic school bus books.

I'm exhausted
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jayne on September 10, 2014, 02:31:02 PM
I'm wondering if this thread should be made a sticky, or at least have the resources mentioned here all collected in one place. 
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Kaesekopf on September 13, 2014, 08:42:18 AM
Stickied.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Prayerful on May 29, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Is there anywhere to find a good text of the Pius V Mass in revisions earlier than the final 1962? I have found some Kindle books, but are mainly unproof scans. There have been a fair few with Pius X and Pius XII making notable revisions to the Missal, I think. Also what text do the SSPV or SVs use?
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Michael Wilson on September 07, 2016, 10:31:51 AM
I believe that most seds use the 1955 Missal (pre Bugnini-ized).











Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Prayerful on September 07, 2016, 11:03:22 AM
Quote from: Michael Wilson on September 07, 2016, 10:31:51 AM
I believe that most seds use the 1955 Missal (pre Bugnini-ized).

Presumably a 1957 Missal incorporated the Mgr Bugini Holy Week Revisions. My mam's 1961 Missal has an imprimatur from that year. Probably my 1951 St Andrew's Missal would be only useful for the ordinary of the Mass.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Michael Wilson on September 07, 2016, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: Prayerful on September 07, 2016, 11:03:22 AM
Quote from: Michael Wilson on September 07, 2016, 10:31:51 AM
I believe that most seds use the 1955 Missal (pre Bugnini-ized).

Presumably a 1957 Missal incorporated the Mgr Bugini Holy Week Revisions. My mam's 1961 Missal has an imprimatur from that year. Probably my 1951 St Andrew's Missal would be only useful for the ordinary of the Mass.
Yes, I had a 1957 Marian Missal; very beautiful, but it had the revised Holy Week in it.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jacafamala on September 14, 2016, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Arun on September 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM



Quote from: Vanna Grace on September 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
I would like to find some book on traditional Catholism...but...it has become quite clear to me that everyone on this board is very intelligent (intimidatingly so). Are there any books that won't make brain explode while reading them? Trad lite, if you will. I would not be opposed to children's Trad books. ;)

i'm on this board and i'm nowhere near intimidatingly intelligent...

Me too!


And btw, Vox is a wonderful sister in Christ and I like her forum very much.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Jacafamala on September 14, 2016, 03:23:58 PM
You can't go wrong with the plain old Baltimore Catechism.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Prayerful on September 14, 2016, 03:41:07 PM
Dr Lauren Pristras, Collects of the Roman Missal compared the New and Tridentine collects, and also concentrates to a degree on how Concilium set its agenda through its schemata. She is careful is avoiding unnecessary editorialising but recounting the archaeologism (condemned by Pius XII in Mediator Dei) that ran through them, even though the Fathers took care to state they were avoiding what Pius XII condemned, plus certain rather Protestant sounding assumptions, it helps a person gain perspective. Something essentially unchanged since Gregory the Great (and his changes to the orations were microscopic compared to what the wrecking crew/coetus of Concilium did) was thrown away. Now this is me editorialising on what she wrote, but I think it supports Tradition without polemic.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: eileen o on May 17, 2017, 07:42:20 AM
Does anybody know of any good books explaining the Latin Mass?
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but... :)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Gardener on May 17, 2017, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: eileen o on May 17, 2017, 07:42:20 AM
Does anybody know of any good books explaining the Latin Mass?
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but... :)

Indeed!

https://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Superfluous-Rev-James-Jackson/dp/0997032901
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/03/book-review-nothing-superfluous.html
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: ubipetrus on June 11, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
At the risk of "tooting my own horn," may I recommend the book, The Resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church?  It is extremely comprehensive, documents, explains, and supports all stripes of Catholic traditionalism, puts things into perspective, and provides one with real hope for the future.  It is by now about 15 years out of date, but the basic positions, questions, and challenges faced are still the same, as are the origins of the various particular traditional Catholic congregations and societies.  You can get it through Amazon here:
https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Roman-Catholic-Church-Traditional/dp/0595250181/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1497209517&sr=1-2&keywords=Griff+Ruby (https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Roman-Catholic-Church-Traditional/dp/0595250181/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1497209517&sr=1-2&keywords=Griff+Ruby)
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: Carleendiane on September 08, 2017, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: eileen o on May 17, 2017, 07:42:20 AM
Does anybody know of any good books explaining the Latin Mass?
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but... :)

I highly recommend "Treasure andTradition"  -the Utilimate Guide to the Latin Mass by Lisa Bergman, published by St. Augustine Press, Homer Glenn, Illinois. This is the book we distribute to households at our Diocesan Latin Mass. We have only gotten praise for this book. It is both informative and an eye pleasure.
Title: Re: Traditional Catholism for Dummies?
Post by: MundaCorMeum on September 08, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
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Quote from: eileen o on May 17, 2017, 07:42:20 AM
Does anybody know of any good books explaining the Latin Mass?
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but... :)

I highly recommend "Treasure andTradition"  -the Utilimate Guide to the Latin Mass by Lisa Bergman, published by St. Augustine Press, Homer Glenn, Illinois. This is the book we distribute to households at our Diocesan Latin Mass. We have only gotten praise for this book. It is both informative and an eye pleasure.

seconded.  We have this book, and it's beautiful. 
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Post by: Sophia3 on April 30, 2018, 05:25:28 PM
I gave The Imitation Of Christ to an agnostic man who really had no religious knowledge of any kind—he has to fly regularly for work (and has a hard time with it). He had the book with him on one of these flights and he said it gave him comfort.
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Post by: Call me Horse on September 02, 2018, 11:50:08 PM
I have 2 questions.....firstly, how does one respond to dinosaur bones and other fossils...I have answered in the past that it shows us that God has a sense of humor but I suspect this is not the definitive answer.

The second....when  Jesus rose from the dead and pottered about for 40 days before ascending to heaven .....what did He do? The latte cafe scene wasn't about then, so what did He do, do we have any insight into this at all.

It looks as if I am awake at appalling hours, but really it is Monday 1750hrs where I live.
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Post by: red solo cup on September 03, 2018, 04:42:50 AM
2nd  He healed, preached and loved.
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Post by: Michael Wilson on September 03, 2018, 04:59:08 PM
Horse,
re. Dinosaur bones etc. The animals definitely existed. God created all the creatures on Earth, animals and life for that matter, does not arise from 'randomness' but from a creator with a definite plan and an end in mind.
Jesus after His resurrection, could have spent some of the time in Heaven, as He had no barrier to going there and coming back to Earth. No Latte bars, definitely.
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Post by: Mystical Rose on May 28, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
If you are looking for some good books to read, I highly recommend the following books:
1. My Catholic Faith (Most Reverend Louis LaRevoire Morrow, S.T.D.)
This book is an excellent place to start when learning The Faith. It is simple and rich with information.
2. The imitation of Christ (Thomas A Kempis)
The imitation of Christ literally changed my life. It is such a beneficial book for the spiritual life. It is most helpful when it is read only one chapter at a time. That way you have time to reflect and meditate on what you have read.
3. My Daily Bread (Anthony J. Paine, S.J.)
This is a summary of the book "The Spiritual Life" it is truly food for the soul. The book is pocket size so you can take it with you just about anywhere. Each chapter is very short, but it is best to read this one Chapter at a time like Imitation, so the information really has time to sink in.
4. Butler's Lives of the Saints
If you can get your hands on this one do it! I have an abridged version, so the passages are short and simple but inspirational nonetheless!
I also advise you in your journey to stick with books that were written before the 1960's that have both a Nihil Obstat and an Imprimatur so that you can be sure that what you are reading has no obstacles to the faith, and so you can have peace of mind knowing that you are safe in the arms of Holy Mother Church. Be careful of getting your information from the internet as there are lot of opinions and misinformation out there that can lead people away from the Faith. It is always safest to read books approved by the Church! Happy reading!

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Post by: Michael Wilson on May 29, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
On the "Buttler's Lives" stay clear from the revised text of Donal Atwater S.J. He systematically denigrates and de-supernaturalizes the saints.
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Post by: ubipetrus on May 30, 2020, 03:41:20 PM
The perfect "start here" book for all honest inquirers about the authentic Catholic Faith as founded at the beginning and sustained today by traditional Catholics. The when's, the what's, the who's, the how's, and most of all the why's, what when wrong, why it is wrong, how it went wrong, but far more important, what went right, the grand saga of the Church's survival of Vatican II up to 2019, and how can we all know for sure:

The Resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church

https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Roman-Catholic-Church-Traditional/dp/0595250181/ (https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Roman-Catholic-Church-Traditional/dp/0595250181/)
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Post by: pioflower on December 28, 2020, 04:47:49 PM
But doesn't the book of the apocalypse mention an unforgiveable sin?