Conciliar Church = Whore of Babylon?

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TradGranny

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July 28, 2024, 06:22:17 PM
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on July 28, 2024, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: TradGranny on July 28, 2024, 01:13:34 PMWhich part? Twenty or so years ago, a devout Trad Catholic gave me a battered old booklet with the original words of Mealanie including "Rome will become the seat of the antichrist" was in there.

That quote comes from the condemned part.

Like the fox guarding the henhouse.
To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
Saint Teresa of Avila

ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez

#16
July 29, 2024, 06:37:43 AM
Quote from: TradGranny on July 28, 2024, 06:22:17 PM
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on July 28, 2024, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: TradGranny on July 28, 2024, 01:13:34 PMWhich part? Twenty or so years ago, a devout Trad Catholic gave me a battered old booklet with the original words of Mealanie including "Rome will become the seat of the antichrist" was in there.

That quote comes from the condemned part.

Like the fox guarding the henhouse.

Leo XIII?
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Michael Wilson

#17
July 29, 2024, 08:27:06 AM
And St. Pius X; Pius XI & Pius XII that renewed the censuring of the so called "Secret of La Salette".
Trads do not need the so called revelations of an apparition to see what a mess the Church is in, and that the origin is in Rome; on the contrary, using the proscribed message only discredits the other solid grounds of our resistance to this destruction of our faith. 
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

TradGranny

#18
July 29, 2024, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on July 29, 2024, 06:37:43 AM
Quote from: TradGranny on July 28, 2024, 06:22:17 PM
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on July 28, 2024, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: TradGranny on July 28, 2024, 01:13:34 PMWhich part? Twenty or so years ago, a devout Trad Catholic gave me a battered old booklet with the original words of Mealanie including "Rome will become the seat of the antichrist" was in there.

That quote comes from the condemned part.

Like the fox guarding the henhouse.

Leo XIII?

He had advisors. Also who would have believed then what is happening now?
To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
Saint Teresa of Avila

Michael Wilson

#19
July 29, 2024, 10:58:00 AM
All the Popes have had advisors; the "evil entourage" theory is an excuse not to obey the instructions from Rome used frequently by trads to even discredit Pius XII in his Holy Week Reform. If the Holy Ghost is guiding the Church, then we cannot allow ourselves to begin picking and choosing between the commands of legitimate Popes, we will end up like the Dimond bros. Denying Catholic doctrine in the name of defending the Catholic faith.
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez

#20
July 29, 2024, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 29, 2024, 10:58:00 AMused frequently by trads to even discredit Pius XII in his Holy Week Reform. If the Holy Ghost is guiding the Church, then we cannot allow ourselves to begin picking and choosing

Are you telling me that sedevacantists offer the 1962 Mass?
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Michael Wilson

#21
July 29, 2024, 11:52:35 AM
The 1957, I think is the last one approved by Pius XII; the 1962 reform was tampered with by John XXIII in the calendar changes and the addition of St. Joseph to the Canon; but there is nothing essentially wrong with it.
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez

#22
July 29, 2024, 12:04:47 PM
Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 29, 2024, 11:52:35 AMThe 1957, I think is the last one approved by Pius XII; the 1962 reform was tampered with by John XXIII in the calendar changes and the addition of St. Joseph to the Canon; but there is nothing essentially wrong with it.

You don't have an issue with Bugnini's 1950s calendar changes and the new Good Friday prayers?
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Michael Wilson

#23
July 29, 2024, 03:42:08 PM
No, because they were approved by Pius XII; therefore they are not Bugnini's but Pius' changes.
Do I prefer the old one's? I don't know since I  have only owned a 1957ffdd. Daily Missal.
Can I omit genuflecting for the Jews during the prayer for their conversion? I do omit it.
I have to ask Pius XII when I see him if its O.K. With him.
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

LausTibiChriste

#24
July 30, 2024, 06:45:46 AM
Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 29, 2024, 03:42:08 PMNo, because they were approved by Pius XII; therefore they are not Bugnini's but Pius' changes.
Do I prefer the old one's? I don't know since I  have only owned a 1957ffdd. Daily Missal.
Can I omit genuflecting for the Jews during the prayer for their conversion? I do omit it.
I have to ask Pius XII when I see him if its O.K. With him.

At least your consistent  :cheeseheadbeer:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son Of God, Have Mercy On Me A Sinner

Michael Wilson

#25
August 01, 2024, 10:29:13 AM
The Sede group: CMRI published this opinion on the Pope Pius XII reforms and the inherently contradictory position of those Sede individuals and groups who recognize him as a true Pope (or the last true one) and at the same time reject his liturgical reforms.
I wont post the article again, but here is the link, for anyone who is interested:
https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/the-liturgical-changes-of-pope-pius-xii/
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers
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