50 Shades of Grey - Boycott and Petition

Started by Jayne, January 20, 2015, 07:56:18 PM

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Maximilian

Quote from: Graham on January 30, 2015, 08:08:50 PM

This other interpretation is sort of startling and interesting,

Not very startling or interesting, since finding some crazy way to blame men for every incident perpetrated by women is very hackneyed at this point. If they came out with a theory in which women took moral responsibility for their own actions, then that would be "startling and interesting."

Like with abortion, for example, if women stopped being portrayed as "victims," and acknowledged their own moral culpability for murdering their own children, now that would be "startling and interesting."

And when the best-selling paperback of all time is straight-out pornography, written by a woman for other women, then it would be "startling and interesting" if people like Dr. Judith Reisman in the O.P. acknowledged that reality instead of trying to find some freudian way to twist it into an attack on men.

SadPanda

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No one said it is literally child porn directed at the male gaze at the behest of men, therefore the fault of men. That would be quite ludicrous. Rather I postulate that if 50SOG is in any way influenced by child porn, it is the unintentional product of a diseased mind that is vulnerable to demonic influence, and is successful because it somehow resonates with some need of the female psyche that has been corrupted en masse by our deranged and degenerate culture. After all, the Lolita fantasy (which is experienced by both men and girls) is a rape fantasy.

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all i know is im happy to know as little as possible about the book/movie
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Maximilian

Quote from: SadPanda on January 30, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
No one said it is literally child porn directed at the male gaze at the behest of men, therefore the fault of men.

The article by Dr. Judith Reisman at the top of the thread did say that.

Quote from: SadPanda on January 30, 2015, 09:28:35 PM

That would be quite ludicrous.

Yes, indeed.

Quote from: SadPanda on January 30, 2015, 09:28:35 PM

Rather I postulate that if 50SOG is in any way influenced by child porn, it is the unintentional product of a diseased mind that is vulnerable to demonic influence, and is successful because it somehow resonates with some need of the female psyche that has been corrupted en masse by our deranged and degenerate culture. After all, the Lolita fantasy (which is experienced by both men and girls) is a rape fantasy.

Right, the problem wasn't with your posts, but with the extracts from the mainstream media which started the discussion.

Jayne

Quote from: SadPanda on January 30, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
Women project themselves onto the characters of stories they read/hear. If millions of women are enjoying thinly veiled child porn, it's because they want to fantasize about being physically dominated by a much more powerful, older man. Perhaps many women have been in relationships with weak spineless men and are over compensating. Interesting is that the character of the wealthy perverted man becomes emotionally dependent on the mousy librarian character which is another female fantasy. He brutalizes her body and she brutalizes his heart. It is a demonic caricature of the natural order.

This is similar to what I think. Women are brainwashed by feminism to think that we want to be strong, independent, and free of male authority.  Many (most I suspect) of us, however, at an instinctive level are nevertheless aware of our need for male strength and leadership.  In our confusion, we try to compartmentalize this as a mere physical or sexual impulse, rather something that affects our whole being as women.  Of course, everything becomes twisted if we abandon the natural order.

When I realized what feminism was and rejected it, I had a great sense of liberation from inner conflict and confusion.  I was able to integrate my conscious thoughts with my deepest instincts and finally felt whole.
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Arun

pornography of any shape or form has it's popularity and success because of the fact it offers some kind of surrogate fulfilment for something which a person may feel is missing inside of themselves, or that they need for whatever reason. technically you could say twilight is porn for women. it's emotional porn, it offers a surfactory appearance of emotional fulfilment or at least the opportunity to vicarously indulge in the emotional fulfilment of the characters on the screen much the same as graphic hard core pornography offers the opportuniy to vicarously indulge in the physical fulfilment of those on screen.

based on what i have read in this thread about fifty shades of grot it does seem a little worrying just what exactly is the vicarous fulfilment so many women are finding in it...


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Quote from: Arun on January 31, 2015, 03:06:42 AM
pornography of any shape or form has it's popularity and success because of the fact it offers some kind of surrogate fulfilment for something which a person may feel is missing inside of themselves, or that they need for whatever reason. technically you could say twilight is porn for women. it's emotional porn, it offers a surfactory appearance of emotional fulfilment or at least the opportunity to vicarously indulge in the emotional fulfilment of the characters on the screen much the same as graphic hard core pornography offers the opportuniy to vicarously indulge in the physical fulfilment of those on screen.

based on what i have read in this thread about fifty shades of grot it does seem a little worrying just what exactly is the vicarous fulfilment so many women are finding in it...

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Archer

Quote from: Maximilian on January 30, 2015, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: Archer on January 30, 2015, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: Graham on January 30, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: Archer on January 25, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
Thank you for posting this.  It is actually very believable that child porn would be hidden in plain view in "the next big thing."  Priests have talked about the dangers of porn; when someone becomes addicted to pornography soon regular sex and even regular porn isn't enough because their lusting becomes more and more disordered.  In a culture saturated with pornography it's easy to believe people would read and watch this and not see the diabolic disorder before their eyes.

If it's child porn, then why is its main readership women?

Because it's deceiving? Why do Priests condemn Harry Potter for witchcraft and yet it's the most widely read series of the 21st century?

No. The women who buy this book know exactly what they are getting. They are not being fooled.

Nor, for that matter, are the people who buy "Harry Potter."

This series of books and Harry Potter collectively dominate the best-selling books of all time. They were all written by women. In between those two series we had a third publishing phenomen -- also written by a woman -- "Twilight."

To an extent I don't disagree with you.  I do think however that there is deep rooted evil behind the books and contained in the books that on the surface people don't realize is there.  People understand Harry Potter contains witchcraft; the cover art gives that away.  What is hidden in the pages is the demonic.  Not to mention the amoral characters and justification of evil. Same with 50 Shades of Gray.  Women know it's pornography.  What they may not realize is what Gardener posted - that the case could be made that it is child porn.

QuoteNo one is deceived about what's contained in these books. Not even the middle-school girls at our SSPX school who are obsessed with "Twilight" and "The Hunger Games."

This is outside the scope of this thread, but this is just another reason there are even problems with sending your children to Traditional Catholic schools these days.  However I won't derail this thread with that discussion.
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Gardener

Quote from: Maximilian on January 30, 2015, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: SadPanda on January 30, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
No one said it is literally child porn directed at the male gaze at the behest of men, therefore the fault of men.

The article by Dr. Judith Reisman at the top of the thread did say that.


Emphases added to bring out the pertinent aspects of the sentence by SP...

And, the article by Dr. Reisman didn't say what the sentence says, nor is the article an attack on men in general.

Also, grass roots marketing, or viral marketing, is very much marketing. That's one of the genius things about it: it appears to not be marketing, giving the appearance of original choice and not feeling marketed to. Combined with a powerhouse like Oprah, Ellen, etc. it's a 1-2 punch of marketing.

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Speaking from hearing discussions about this book, the women know exactly what it is, as do the men.

The problem is these secular, modern people are so blinded to truth and goodness that they have no problem with porn, nor with consuming it. 

So they eat this up.

People are wretched.  This shouldn't be surprising.  We've had 50 years of the Churchmen shirking their moral duty to guide and lead the faithful and the society, more worried about their pocketbooks and less about the salvation of souls.

This is what we get.
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Graham

Max, I'm with you in spirit, but I think we're talking about two different articles.

Maximilian

Quote from: Graham on January 31, 2015, 11:36:11 AM
Max, I'm with you in spirit,

Thank you.

Quote from: Graham on January 31, 2015, 11:36:11 AM
but I think we're talking about two different articles.

That might be the case.


Geremia

Let us all pray for the author of 50 Shades of Grey and all those involved in promoting it. Pope St. Pius X's prayer (1908-12-10) to St. Paul on the printing of good books is excellent:
Quote from: Pope St. Pius XO MOST glorious Apostle, who didst labour with so much zeal at Ephesus to destroy the writings which thou knewest full well would pervert the minds of the faithful; deign in these times to turn upon us thy loving regard. Thou seest how an unbelieving and unbridled press endeavours to steal from mans heart its precious treasures of faith and moral purity. We beseech thee, O great Apostle, to enlighten the minds of all these perverse writers, that at length they may cease from injuring souls by their wicked doctrines and perfidious suggestions; move their hearts to renounce the evil which they do to the chosen sheep of CHRIST'S fold ; obtain for us the grace that, being always obedient to the voice of the supreme Pastor, we may never give ourselves up to the reading of evil books, but may, on the contrary, seek to read, and, as far as possible, diffuse, such works as may by their wholesome influence help all to promote the greater glory of GOD, the exaltation of the Church, and the salvation of souls. Amen.

OCLittleFlower

Quote from: Gardener on January 30, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: Graham on January 30, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: Archer on January 25, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
Thank you for posting this.  It is actually very believable that child porn would be hidden in plain view in "the next big thing."  Priests have talked about the dangers of porn; when someone becomes addicted to pornography soon regular sex and even regular porn isn't enough because their lusting becomes more and more disordered.  In a culture saturated with pornography it's easy to believe people would read and watch this and not see the diabolic disorder before their eyes.

If it's child porn, then why is its main readership adult women?

Marketing, for one. Women are typically more stimulated by thought and reading than men, who are more stimulated by visuals. And two, it is thinly veiled. There are two ways to read a book: accept certain premises as given by the author (i.e., this is a complete work of fiction) or to think/realize/accept that the author caveats with such phrases, or even character attributes, to veil the actual intention of the work. For example, Fr. Malachi Martin's "fiction" novels. They contain true people, even if given a fictional name and facade.

The character claims to be 21. She has no technological experience... did she come from a luddite household? Unlikely. She has the emotional maturity of a young teen. etc. While she claims to be 21, she exhibits no actual characteristics of a 21 year old, save one who is mentally retarded at a higher functioning level.

Either the character is a kid or is a mental child in the body of a 21 year old. Either way, the characteristics culminate in a disturbing narrative.

Or the author is a middle aged woman who isn't a very good writer.  So she fails to realize that the world has changed a lot since her own college days and doesn't do the research about just how tech savvy, etc, a real 21-year-old of today would be.

I'm not such which is the case, although just about everyone agrees that the writing is terrible.  So maybe it isn't such a stretch that she also fails to write believable characters.  I've read bits of it on Amazon's "look inside" feature (since Amazon only shows the non-racy bits in those previews) and the writing is awful.  Not only does this girl not sound like a modern 21-year-old (though the fake swearing is realistic enough -- and I do take offense at the idea that not committing sexual sins makes one a child), she doesn't even sound American.  Instead, she uses distinctly British turns of phrase.
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