Gospel of Matthew and the Talmud

Started by drummerboy, March 23, 2024, 09:03:39 AM

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drummerboy

So, I've been thinking (disclaimer: you've been warned): the Gospel of Matthew is the only Gospel that gives a detailed history of the conception of Jesus.  Namely, His Divine Conception, but most importantly Joseph's response to finding Mary suddenly pregnant, and his own righteousness in the situation he found himself in.  Given that Matthew addressed his Gospel to the Jews, is it possible he gave this detailed narrative partly in reaction to the slur Jews were spreading that Jesus' conception was the result of Mary being raped by Roman soldiers? Was this rumor being spread at the time?
"My hope is the Father, my refuge is the Son, my protection is the Holy Spirit.  Holy Trinity, glory to You." 
"All my hope I place in you, O Mother of God; keep me under your protection."

clau clau

#1
I liked Brother Nathaniel's take on it. He describes in this passage his first reading of the New Testament, starting with the Gospel according to Matthew (Levi).

see: 29:08 in the video below (but the whole talk is marvelous - unfortunately the sound is a bit distorted).
... and the guy is seriously funny.  He has missionary zeal!

Outspoken Russian Orthodox monk, Brother Nathanael Kapner was raised Jewish but accepted Christ later in life as well as his mother and father.  PTL!  Eye opening talk, frank and uncensored Kapner tells what he has found to be the reason for the moral decline of America and the world.  Recorded in Okamos, Michigan April 6, 2013.



He did a podcast with E Michael Jones recently. I loved that too.

EMJ Live 64: A Discussion with Brother Nathanael

https://cozy.tv/emichaeljones/replays/2024-03-01






Father time has an undefeated record.

But when he's dumb and no more here,
Nineteen hundred years or near,
Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
(https://completeandunabridged.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-claudius.html)

drummerboy

I had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth
"My hope is the Father, my refuge is the Son, my protection is the Holy Spirit.  Holy Trinity, glory to You." 
"All my hope I place in you, O Mother of God; keep me under your protection."

diaduit


TradGranny

Quote from: diaduit on March 25, 2024, 02:56:37 AMWhat Jews reject the Talmud?

There are some. They call themselves Biblical Jews or Old Testament Jews.
Some Jews convert to Catholocism.
To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
Saint Teresa of Avila

aquinas138

Quote from: diaduit on March 25, 2024, 02:56:37 AMWhat Jews reject the Talmud?

Karaite Jews, for instance, do not believe the "Oral Torah", i.e., Talmud and Midrash, to be binding. According to them, only the Tanakh is supreme in halakha and in theology.
What shall we call you, O full of grace? * Heaven? for you have shone forth the Sun of Righteousness. * Paradise? for you have brought forth the Flower of immortality. * Virgin? for you have remained incorrupt. * Pure Mother? for you have held in your holy embrace your Son, the God of all. * Entreat Him to save our souls.

Gardener

Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol
"Lord save us from the sufficient grace of the Thomists!"

drummerboy

#7
Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

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"My hope is the Father, my refuge is the Son, my protection is the Holy Spirit.  Holy Trinity, glory to You." 
"All my hope I place in you, O Mother of God; keep me under your protection."

TradGranny

Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

Instead of judging a book by its cover, why not try listening to him? You may like what he has to say.
To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
Saint Teresa of Avila

Gardener

Quote from: TradGranny on April 18, 2024, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

Instead of judging a book by its cover, why not try listening to him? You may like what he has to say.
You assume I haven't listened to him as well as researched him. The man is disavowed by Orthodox. His former synagogue said he's a certifiable nutcase, and his behavior in Colorado affirms that.

But anyway, as for what I replied to: he looks like he should have a part in Fiddler on the Roof. He straight up looks like posters in Germany describing the physiognomy of Jews.
"Lord save us from the sufficient grace of the Thomists!"

TradGranny

Quote from: Gardener on April 24, 2024, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: TradGranny on April 18, 2024, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

Instead of judging a book by its cover, why not try listening to him? You may like what he has to say.
You assume I haven't listened to him as well as researched him. The man is disavowed by Orthodox. His former synagogue said he's a certifiable nutcase, and his behavior in Colorado affirms that.

But anyway, as for what I replied to: he looks like he should have a part in Fiddler on the Roof. He straight up looks like posters in Germany describing the physiognomy of Jews.

Sorry. I did not know that. What did he do in Colorado?
To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
Saint Teresa of Avila

Gardener

Quote from: TradGranny on April 24, 2024, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: Gardener on April 24, 2024, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: TradGranny on April 18, 2024, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

Instead of judging a book by its cover, why not try listening to him? You may like what he has to say.
You assume I haven't listened to him as well as researched him. The man is disavowed by Orthodox. His former synagogue said he's a certifiable nutcase, and his behavior in Colorado affirms that.

But anyway, as for what I replied to: he looks like he should have a part in Fiddler on the Roof. He straight up looks like posters in Germany describing the physiognomy of Jews.

Sorry. I did not know that. What did he do in Colorado?

He used to stand out on public streets dancing around, waving a crucifix, and making a general ass of himself.

The Orthos can't stand him and he's not recognized as a Monk by any main Ortho Church: https://old.reddit.com/r/OrthodoxChristianity/comments/1icltl/brother_nathanael/


I feel bad for the guy. If he truly believes in Christ that's great, but he needs help.
"Lord save us from the sufficient grace of the Thomists!"

Bonaventure

Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

I nearly spit my coffee!

drummerboy

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Quote from: Gardener on April 24, 2024, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: TradGranny on April 18, 2024, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

Instead of judging a book by its cover, why not try listening to him? You may like what he has to say.
You assume I haven't listened to him as well as researched him. The man is disavowed by Orthodox. His former synagogue said he's a certifiable nutcase, and his behavior in Colorado affirms that.

But anyway, as for what I replied to: he looks like he should have a part in Fiddler on the Roof. He straight up looks like posters in Germany describing the physiognomy of Jews.


 Listening to him I get the sense he's telling the audience what he knows they want to hear.  You can tell he was a salesman.

 But to be fair, he does acknowledge his own eccentricity.  If he can laugh at himself he's probably not a complete nutcase.  However much I hope his conversion is sincere, I don't detect the spirit of Christ in him, he seems just angry.
"My hope is the Father, my refuge is the Son, my protection is the Holy Spirit.  Holy Trinity, glory to You." 
"All my hope I place in you, O Mother of God; keep me under your protection."

drummerboy

Quote from: Bonaventure on June 05, 2024, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: Gardener on April 16, 2024, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: drummerboy on March 24, 2024, 08:01:55 PMI had no clue Brother Nathaniel was Jewish by birth

Dude looks like he'd risk running in traffic to grab a penny from the road. Lol

I nearly spit my coffee!

Didn't you know copper wire was invented when two Jews were fighting over a penny!?
"My hope is the Father, my refuge is the Son, my protection is the Holy Spirit.  Holy Trinity, glory to You." 
"All my hope I place in you, O Mother of God; keep me under your protection."