A challenge for those on this forum who are pro-NATO and pro-Ukraine

[Greg]

The evidence strongly suggests that the 2014 Maidan coup was precisely the USA interfering in Ukraine and deliberately overthrowing a democratically elected government and engineering their own puppet government.  Something that the USA has done many times before.


Recording is here.


Documentary from 4 years ago is here.  See the comments.  Other people can connect the dots.  They are pretty easy to connect.

Conversely there is zero evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 US election.  The entire fiction was wilfully made up and supported by the organs of state including the FBI.  Those who believed it are fools who believed propaganda.

So here is the challenge for those of you who are anti-Putin and anti-Russia defending itself.

1.  Offer proof that the Maidan protests were organic and not sponsored by the USA's state department in order to attack weaken Russia, which if true makes Ukraine a proxy war and the USA the aggressor.  There is AMPLE proof that they were crafted.
2.  If you are Russia and a state on your border which has traditionally been neutral or friendly (and has had your gas at extremely cut price rates for years turns hostile) which also contains a warm water naval port (your only one) what do you do when you have evidence that the reason for the hostility is that the USA is deliberately engineering a coup to weaken your country?

You NATO worshippers on the forum appear to me to be operating from a moral principle that the USA has some God-given right to rule the nations of the world and decide which governments to support and which to topple at will.  In which case, why does it need to do it through lies and plots.  Why not simply say, "we are the most powerful nation on earth and if we decide that your government is to be toppled we will topple it"?

I don't believe that the USA has that right at all.  In fact with the power the USA has to manipulate governments, it uses that power to spread crony capitalism, abortion, sodomy, pornography and other perversions.  It cannot be God's will that the USA has this sort of power.

So tell us... Why we should be against Russia and pro-Ukraine at a geo-political level?

Justify your point of view with evidence of Russia's evil.

[Greg]

Come on NATO worshippers.  Surely you can cut and paste some sort of legal defence written by your pro-sodomy friends in the media even if you cannot come up with some evidence and arguments by yourself.

[josh987654321]

Easily done, just beat you down with quantity, there are billions of dollars behind this propaganda, I can't know everything and be everywhere, liars gonna lie. I know enough though to know that these USA Democrats (and others) are liars and have a long track record of tremendous evil and lies, it's so bad that the only way is for them to fall IMO, which I think they will, not without taking as many down around them as they can though.

Like Tucker Carlson said, anyone involved with the lies of Iraq (you destroyed a whole Country on a lie) or the arming of Islamic rebels (who later became ISIS whom they continued to protect) or the war in Syria (why did you even go there?) or the way they withdrew from Afghanistan, should have been fired long ago, and those like Pelosi, Biden, Kaine etc should have been excommunicated years ago and the list goes on for so long, Clinton's private server, Obama spying on Trumps campaign, Wikileaks... how the fk is Podesta not in jail? Where the fk are all Epstein's clients? Why is the head of Pfizer and Moderna not in jail and those who mandated it not being made to pay for the people they lied to and consequently murdered? etc

And at the end of the day, the west has embraced sodomy, no nation that has embrace such levels of debauchery has ever survived.

"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."

God Bless

[diaduit]

Who the heck is pro NATO or pro Ukraine here?

[GMC]

Who the heck is pro NATO or pro Ukraine here?

Xavier.

[Greg]

Not only Xavier.

lauermar, mikemac, King Wenceslas, Antoninus, Markus and King Wenceslas are all pro-Ukraine and paint Russia as the bogeyman.

[Jmartyr]

 To everybody's surprise, Nuland said the US has chemical weapons on Russia's border in a senate hearing a while back. Tucker ran a story the other night on how Biden could have ended the war in April but did not. Basically, the US wants to overthrow Putin, which is suicide if you ask me.

[Greg]

It is not suicide if you are convinced he won't use nukes.

However, I think Putin would use nukes.  And those who would replace him definitely would just out of sheer spite if nothing else.  Russians are very strange people when it comes to dying for the Motherland.  The more you make them bleed the more they want to bleed.  How Tsar Nicholas screwed up the First World War so badly I will never understand.

They are most contented when they are miserable.  And if their neighbour is just as miserable that is a bonus for them. They are just like the grouch Oscar in Sesame Street.

If they were ever converted I could see them doing pilgrimages in the snow that would make Chartres look like a stroll in the park.

[Heinrich]

Not only Xavier.

lauermar, mikemac, King Wenceslas, Antoninus, Markus and King Wenceslas are all pro-Ukraine and paint Russia as the bogeyman.

Dont forget Prayerful. Probably the most fierce critic of Russia in this matter. To be fair, Mac has been cool lately.

[Greg]

I meant to say prayerful but I said King W twice.

Must be the morphine patch.

[Elizabeth]

I meant to say prayerful but I said King W twice.

Must be the morphine patch.

. It's like Toad Hall in here. 

[diaduit]

I don't think its pro Nato or Ukraine for those you mentioned, more we're not buying the bs that Putin is not NWO and part of the plan for the Great Reset.  Thats my case anyway.

[Greg]

Why are the NWO orchestrating a war against themselves then?

Why all the complex plotting and delay?  If they have all the major powers onside (those with nuclear weapons) just roll out global government already.

They don't need to crash the world economy.  Just roll out the new global currency and reset the world.  If Russia and China are onside with the Great Reset plan then there is nothing to stop them?  They could EASILY crush street protests.  Those are a joke in terms of what they can achieve.  All they do is tell you how many people give a shit enough to take a train to the protest and spend a day in town.

Look at the 80% of morons who had the risky jab because they were weak minded.  Cancel their bank accounts and make them spend globalists credits for food and 99.9% of the world would HAVE to go along with it and join the system.

Why all this complexity?  If all major countries are on board they don't need to sell it to the population.  They don't need Hollywood plots of nefarious double and triple crosses.  Just force it on everyone globally.  There is nothing that could be done if there is no resistance at a level that has an effective military.

[awkward customer]

Why are the NWO orchestrating a war against themselves then?

Why all the complex plotting and delay?  If they have all the major powers onside (those with nuclear weapons) just roll out global government already.

They don't need to crash the world economy.  Just roll out the new global currency and reset the world.  If Russia and China are onside with the Great Reset plan then there is nothing to stop them?  They could EASILY crush street protests.  Those are a joke in terms of what they can achieve.  All they do is tell you how many people give a shit enough to take a train to the protest and spend a day in town.

Look at the 80% of morons who had the risky jab because they were weak minded.  Cancel their bank accounts and make them spend globalists credits for food and 99.9% of the world would HAVE to go along with it and join the system.

Why all this complexity? If all major countries are on board they don't need to sell it to the population.  They don't need Hollywood plots of nefarious double and triple crosses.  Just force it on everyone globally.  There is nothing that could be done if there is no resistance at a level that has an effective military.

What complexity?  The NWO globalists have a choice.  They can either bring about their Great Reset by force as you suggest, or by stealth.  It's basically the choice between armed robbery and fraud.  Which would you choose?

Why use force when you can lie and achieve the same result without the mayhem?

[Greg]

Because force is more controllable and historically all totalitarian systems are brought in by force.  Never by fraud or by Q-Anon 5D chess moves.