A challenge for those on this forum who are pro-NATO and pro-Ukraine

Started by Greg, September 26, 2022, 02:38:53 AM

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josh987654321

Not sure how China will fit into it all, but I suspect it will play out similar to WWII, where Nazi Germany attacked Great Britain and the RAF basically held out alone after the fall of France, then by a stroke of fate, Hitler decided to attack the USSR which is where some of the largest battles of WWII occured.

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Julio

Prayerful, I do not give any favor to China. It is not at all different from Western nations in terms of violation of Catholic values. They are the same which is the reason they are partners in crime on the spread of COVID-19.

As to Russian abortion rate, perhaps you are right about that which is the reason Putin is giving amelioration to families with more children. It is to correct that error of the statutory law of the nation. I see it as better option than Biden or Pelosi expressing hatred against the latest SCUTOS ruling over abortion. It is better than these so called Catholic leaders sponsoring mass killing of the unborn.

Yes, Russia is schismatic and so with U.K. the U.S. and Canada who are supporting with the might of their arsenal to Ukraine. Like what I posted this is the war of the schismatics. Belgium is the home of clergy men who endorse same sex union and other Sodom and Gomorrah ways.

So, what is your point?

awkward customer

Quote from: Justin Martyr on October 04, 2022, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: awkward customer on October 04, 2022, 05:46:58 AM
The 'Senate and the People of Rome' isn't such a bad idea on its own without the empire.

I think you have it backwards, the Senate and People of Rome nearly killed Rome in the 1st Century B.C. It was the Empire that saved the Rome, and it lasted all the way to 1806.

Better to have the Empire without the SPQR, than to have the SPQR without the Empire.

Surely it was the squabbling and rivalry among the Patricians that created instability.  Octavian became the first emperor by basically killing the patricians who opposed him and yes, as the emperor Augustus he established a peace that lasted for two centuries.  But his main role was to keep his fellow patricians in line.

The globalists are in a similar situation.  While they all agree that they as a class should keep and consolidate their power, they are also prone to arguing and squabbling amongst themselves over who gets the biggest share of the cake. 

Greg

The birthrate and fertility rate are lower in so called "Catholic" Poland and Lithuania than they are in Russia according to on-line statistics databases.

So I would assume that Polish women are contracepted to the eyeballs or having even more abortions than Russians.  Otherwise where are the babies?

The Poles Catholicism certainly has not helped them much.  They are not even able to replace themselves.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/birth-rate-by-country



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King Wenceslas

Quote from: Greg on October 05, 2022, 05:32:50 AM
The birthrate and fertility rate are lower in so called "Catholic" Poland and Lithuania than they are in Russia according to on-line statistics databases.

So I would assume that Polish women are contracepted to the eyeballs or having even more abortions than Russians.  Otherwise where are the babies?

The Poles Catholicism certainly has not helped them much.  They are not even able to replace themselves.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/birth-rate-by-country

Industrialization, urbanization makes children non-productive expensive persons in the house. So the outcome is surprise, surpise fewer children!

In an agrarian society, children are productive since they can be put to work at 6 years old and above.

Heinrich

Quote from: Greg on October 05, 2022, 05:32:50 AM
The birthrate and fertility rate are lower in so called "Catholic" Poland and Lithuania than they are in Russia according to on-line statistics databases.

So I would assume that Polish women are contracepted to the eyeballs or having even more abortions than Russians.  Otherwise where are the babies?

The Poles Catholicism certainly has not helped them much.  They are not even able to replace themselves.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/birth-rate-by-country

Your output certainly helps Russian numbers.
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Justin Martyr

Quote from: awkward customer on October 05, 2022, 04:15:38 AM
Quote from: Justin Martyr on October 04, 2022, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: awkward customer on October 04, 2022, 05:46:58 AM
The 'Senate and the People of Rome' isn't such a bad idea on its own without the empire.

I think you have it backwards, the Senate and People of Rome nearly killed Rome in the 1st Century B.C. It was the Empire that saved the Rome, and it lasted all the way to 1806.

Better to have the Empire without the SPQR, than to have the SPQR without the Empire.

Surely it was the squabbling and rivalry among the Patricians that created instability.  Octavian became the first emperor by basically killing the patricians who opposed him and yes, as the emperor Augustus he established a peace that lasted for two centuries.  But his main role was to keep his fellow patricians in line.

The globalists are in a similar situation.  While they all agree that they as a class should keep and consolidate their power, they are also prone to arguing and squabbling amongst themselves over who gets the biggest share of the cake.

Ok...? The republic was a government headed BY the Patricians, at least on a constitutional level. As for the people, they always followed whomever gave them free bread or bribed them with coin. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or correcting me lol.
The least departure from Tradition leads to a scorning of every dogma of the Faith.
St. Photios the Great, Encyclical to the Eastern Patriarchs

CANON I: As for all persons who dare to violate the definition of the holy and great Synod convened in Nicaea in the presence of Eusebeia, the consort of the most God-beloved Emperor Constantine, concerning the holy festival of the soterial Pascha, we decree that they be excluded from Communion and be outcasts from the Church if they persist more captiously in objecting to the decisions that have been made as most fitting in regard thereto; and let these things be said with reference to laymen. But if any of the person occupying prominent positions in the Church, such as a Bishop, or a Presbyter, or a Deacon, after the adoption of this definition, should dare to insist upon having his own way, to the perversion of the laity, and to the disturbance of the church, and upon celebrating Pascha along with the Jews, the holy Synod has hence judged that person to be an alien to the Church, on the ground that he has not only become guilty of sin by himself, but has also been the cause of corruption and perversion among the multitude. Accordingly, it not only deposes such persons from the liturgy, but also those who dare to commune with them after their deposition. Moreover, those who have been deposed are to be deprived of the external honor too of which the holy Canon and God's priesthood have partaken.
The Council of Antioch 341, recieved by the Council of Chalcedon

Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

awkward customer

Quote from: Justin Martyr on October 05, 2022, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: awkward customer on October 05, 2022, 04:15:38 AM
Quote from: Justin Martyr on October 04, 2022, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: awkward customer on October 04, 2022, 05:46:58 AM
The 'Senate and the People of Rome' isn't such a bad idea on its own without the empire.

I think you have it backwards, the Senate and People of Rome nearly killed Rome in the 1st Century B.C. It was the Empire that saved the Rome, and it lasted all the way to 1806.

Better to have the Empire without the SPQR, than to have the SPQR without the Empire.

Surely it was the squabbling and rivalry among the Patricians that created instability.  Octavian became the first emperor by basically killing the patricians who opposed him and yes, as the emperor Augustus he established a peace that lasted for two centuries.  But his main role was to keep his fellow patricians in line.

The globalists are in a similar situation.  While they all agree that they as a class should keep and consolidate their power, they are also prone to arguing and squabbling amongst themselves over who gets the biggest share of the cake.

Ok...? The republic was a government headed BY the Patricians, at least on a constitutional level. As for the people, they always followed whomever gave them free bread or bribed them with coin. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or correcting me lol.

I was addressing your claim that the Empire saved Rome and that it would be better "to have the Empire without the SPQR than the SPQR without the Empire".  As you correctly point out, the 'People', that is the ordinary citizens, will always go along with whoever bribes them the most.  It is the Patricians who cause all the trouble and strife.

Best of all would be to have fewer psychopathic, power hungry Patricians fighting over who has the biggest share of the Empire's spoils.  We have the same problem today.

Justin Martyr

Quote from: awkward customer on October 06, 2022, 06:55:38 AM
Quote from: Justin Martyr on October 05, 2022, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: awkward customer on October 05, 2022, 04:15:38 AM
Quote from: Justin Martyr on October 04, 2022, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: awkward customer on October 04, 2022, 05:46:58 AM
The 'Senate and the People of Rome' isn't such a bad idea on its own without the empire.

I think you have it backwards, the Senate and People of Rome nearly killed Rome in the 1st Century B.C. It was the Empire that saved the Rome, and it lasted all the way to 1806.

Better to have the Empire without the SPQR, than to have the SPQR without the Empire.

Surely it was the squabbling and rivalry among the Patricians that created instability.  Octavian became the first emperor by basically killing the patricians who opposed him and yes, as the emperor Augustus he established a peace that lasted for two centuries.  But his main role was to keep his fellow patricians in line.

The globalists are in a similar situation.  While they all agree that they as a class should keep and consolidate their power, they are also prone to arguing and squabbling amongst themselves over who gets the biggest share of the cake.

Ok...? The republic was a government headed BY the Patricians, at least on a constitutional level. As for the people, they always followed whomever gave them free bread or bribed them with coin. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or correcting me lol.

I was addressing your claim that the Empire saved Rome and that it would be better "to have the Empire without the SPQR than the SPQR without the Empire".  As you correctly point out, the 'People', that is the ordinary citizens, will always go along with whoever bribes them the most.  It is the Patricians who cause all the trouble and strife.

Best of all would be to have fewer psychopathic, power hungry Patricians fighting over who has the biggest share of the Empire's spoils.  We have the same problem today.

Ah, I see your point.

That much is true: a senate of Catos and Ciceros would be a brilliant thing. Then again, a Cato would make an even greater Emperor. To quote Homer: "Let there be one ruler, one King".

I tend to follow St. Bellarmine: Monarchy is best in the abstract, and in practice a mixed constitution of Monarchy, Aristocracy, and the Republic are best.
The least departure from Tradition leads to a scorning of every dogma of the Faith.
St. Photios the Great, Encyclical to the Eastern Patriarchs

CANON I: As for all persons who dare to violate the definition of the holy and great Synod convened in Nicaea in the presence of Eusebeia, the consort of the most God-beloved Emperor Constantine, concerning the holy festival of the soterial Pascha, we decree that they be excluded from Communion and be outcasts from the Church if they persist more captiously in objecting to the decisions that have been made as most fitting in regard thereto; and let these things be said with reference to laymen. But if any of the person occupying prominent positions in the Church, such as a Bishop, or a Presbyter, or a Deacon, after the adoption of this definition, should dare to insist upon having his own way, to the perversion of the laity, and to the disturbance of the church, and upon celebrating Pascha along with the Jews, the holy Synod has hence judged that person to be an alien to the Church, on the ground that he has not only become guilty of sin by himself, but has also been the cause of corruption and perversion among the multitude. Accordingly, it not only deposes such persons from the liturgy, but also those who dare to commune with them after their deposition. Moreover, those who have been deposed are to be deprived of the external honor too of which the holy Canon and God's priesthood have partaken.
The Council of Antioch 341, recieved by the Council of Chalcedon

Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.