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Beware of independent "priests" that are unable/unwilling to provide credentials

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Prayerful:

--- Quote from: mikemac on October 25, 2021, 04:58:23 PM ---A sedevacantist "priest" should be considered as an independent "priest", shouldn't they.  They wouldn't be able to get a Celebret from the local bishop.

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Obviously, but the idea is I guess validity combined with supplied jurisdiction given the present emergency. Most sedes are SSPX connected  in some way or the other, and even when hostile, they use this basic idea. Celebret can be used in a very unfair way, some are now very time limited, as a way of keeping a priest on a short leash. It should not be the be all and end all. Basically, do research, and if the priest (outside the SSPX or diocesan context) cannot confirm his orders, run, I guess.

Michael Wilson:
a sede priest should be able to tell you who ordained him.
The problem with many Schismatic orders such as Old Catholics is that there is no control over who gets consecrated; therefore men without the proper training performing sacramental rites, render them doubtful. That goes also for the Duarte Costa Line; and the Anglicans. Prima facia evidence is that the Anglican Orders are invalid unless there is proof to the Contrary; since Pope Leo XIII' "Apostolicae Curae". The N.O. Rite of Consecration of Bishops was radically altered in the 1960's and it uses a form that resembles the form for the enthronement of an Archbishop in the Maronite Rite. This form was not meant to be used to Consecrate bishops. Therefore, if one has doubts about the new Canonizations, one has even more reason to doubt the new rite of Orders. 

GiftOfGod:

--- Quote from: mikemac on October 25, 2021, 04:58:23 PM ---A sedevacantist "priest" should be considered as an independent "priest", shouldn't they.  They wouldn't be able to get a Celebret from the local bishop.

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Do any SSPX priests have a celebret?
What about the sede priests in the SSPX?

TradGranny:

--- Quote from: Prayerful on October 25, 2021, 05:33:10 PM ---Basically, do research, and if the priest (outside the SSPX or diocesan context) cannot confirm his orders, run, I guess.

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At Our Lady Help of Christians in Orange County, CA, we have had three recent men who cannot confirm their orders and will not say when, where, by whom and in which rite they were ordained. Our pastor, Father Perez, is a trusting soul who doesn't want to insult a person who claims to be a priest by asking for actual proof.

The first was Father Colletti, an admitted pedophile who had been laicized prior to arriving and presenting himself as a priest in good standing. Even after he was outed by a letter from the local bishop, Father Perez covered up for him, saying "Father Colletti was called back to his diocese."

The second was a man calling himself Father Michael Weist who was found to have a pagan altar in his home. A photo of him as a layman surfaced, Mr. Michael Weist, proprietor of an antique store. The date of the photo was 6 months prior to his arrival as a priest. He has made thinly veiled threats to anyone who asks about his ordination.

The third was a high school boy who, instead of finishing high school, went to the Father Pfeiffer fake seminary and two years later was saying Mass at the chapel.

There is a thread over at Cath Info on all of this. Very sad.

GiftOfGod:
Wow, granny. That might be the place the trads were talking about. After three times the place ought to be shut down. Who even patronizes a place like that?

I didn't know that Pfeiffer had a "seminary". 

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